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5 Things Most People Don’t Understand About the National Debt
Money ^ | April 22, 2016 | Taylor Tepper

Posted on 04/23/2016 9:18:03 AM PDT by expat_panama

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To: expat_panama

One big fact everybody should know is that the Fed has been sweeping this debt under the rug so it has no market effect, much as they did with all the debt after WWII that eventually led to all the inflation we had in the 1970’s.


41 posted on 04/23/2016 12:14:50 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Based on human nature, it’s impossible.


42 posted on 04/23/2016 12:16:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: expat_panama

Never fear...update...

Trump walks back pledge to eliminate debt in a decade

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-walks-back-pledge-to-eliminate-debt-in-a-decade/article/2589333

Gabby Morrongiello @ Washington Examiner excerpt
4/22/16 4:10 PM

You have said you plan to pay off the country’s debt in 10 years. How is that possible?” a reporter for Fortune Magazine asked the Republican presidential front-runner in an interview published Friday.

“No, I didn’t say 10 years,” Trump said. He then suggested that instead of paying it all off, he would pay off an unspecified “percentage” of the national debt as president.

“It depends on how aggressive you want to be,” he said. “I’d rather not be so aggressive. Don’t forget: We have to rebuild the infrastructure of our country. We have to rebuild our military, which is being decimated by bad decisions. We have to do a lot of things.”

“We have to reduce our debt, and the best thing we have going now is that interest rates are so low that lots of good things can be done that aren’t being done, amazingly,” he said.

Trump also suggested that a big part of the answer to the debt is how it’s financed.

“First of all, with low interest rates, you can think in terms of refinancing, and get it down,” he said. “I believe you can do certain things to pay off the debt more quickly. The most important thing is to make sure the economy stays strong. You can do it in smaller chunks. You can do it in larger chunks. And you can do it in refinancings.”


43 posted on 04/23/2016 12:17:50 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: disndat
Yep, at the rate of $1 a second, if we could do that, it would take........33,000 years for the first Trillion.

Just wait for the interest rate to rise on that balance, the government of the USA will not be able to pay for anything else.

44 posted on 04/23/2016 12:22:42 PM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Yes I’d say virtually impossible, politically impossible, etc. But with the will there’s a way. Even reversing the trend would do wonders.


45 posted on 04/23/2016 12:36:29 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Vendome

There national debt hasn’t decreased (indicating a balanced or surplus budget) on a fiscal-year basis since the Eisenhower administration.


46 posted on 04/23/2016 1:40:57 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: expat_panama; All
Thank you for referencing that article expat_panama. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Speaking of the national debt, consider the following from a related thread ...

Once again, it’s time for "Federal Government Annual Budget 101,” the constitutionally limited power federal government's annual budget as the Founding States had intended for the budget to be understood.

Note that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. This is evidenced by the excerpt below.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, based on the Court’s statement above, here is a rough estimate of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited power duties.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.

In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx Noise, should not be reporting multi-trillion dollar annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes in budget discussions.

Remember in November!

When patriots elect Trump, or whatever conservative they elect, they need to also elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

47 posted on 04/23/2016 1:47:03 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Reagan Disciple
...he’s a total moron when it comes to basic economics...

We really don't know that. 

What we do know is that he says all kinds of really stupid things while he's campaigning and his followers just love it.  Makes sense because his goal is to get votes and conforming to reality is simply not necessary.  Once he's elected he can still wave his arms and yell stupid stuff, but as far as puting ideas in writing and doing things he'll need to be a lot more careful.

My issue is w/ all the freepers who should know better than to take a lot of that B$ seriously and can't see it for what it is.. 

48 posted on 04/23/2016 2:04:15 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: ctdonath2

Historically most nations go into a death spiral once they hit 40% of the budget being debt payments. Which is why I think the only way out is default.


49 posted on 04/23/2016 2:07:21 PM PDT by RedWulf ((Trump supporter))
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To: expat_panama
Fine - I'll defer to your logic but when you speak of tariffs at the exact same time you predict a major recession in the US .....knowing what happened in the 1930s......then you are a borderline moron.
50 posted on 04/23/2016 2:08:09 PM PDT by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: expat_panama

I will refuse to pay it - only if they show my money goes to our military, our police and fire, our transporation, our schools, water, the basics. I will hide my money from them, and a lot of us are not so stupid not to know how. I hate the leftists in government, I will rebel. We will create our own money if we have to, our own cars, insurance pools, our own guns, et all, in our secret factories and garages. We will pool together.

OUR OWN “Enclaves”!


51 posted on 04/23/2016 2:13:05 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: huldah1776
Trump quoted in an interview w/ Woodward Apr. 2:  "We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt...   .... could do it fairly quickly...   ... over a period of eight years."

Trump quoted in an interview w/ Morrongiello Apr. 22  Q: You have said you plan to pay off the country’s debt in 10 years...."  A:  “No, I didn’t say 10 years,”  [pay off an unspecified] “percentage”

Whoa quite a switch.  My problem here is that nobody has an actual video of him saying any of this, and these pundits have a really bad habit of making up phony quotes.

52 posted on 04/23/2016 2:46:44 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: RipSawyer
The deficit is "decreasing" to a mere 500 billion per year.

From a trillion per year.

Even the hated GWB didn't add a cool trillion per year to the Debt during his "awful" Presidency.

Your friend is a stupe.

53 posted on 04/23/2016 2:56:51 PM PDT by boop ("A Republic, if you can keep it."-Franklin, 1787. "We couldn't keep it"-America, 2016)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
legitimately

Ah...Well...errrrr...I'll get back to you on legitimacy.

54 posted on 04/23/2016 3:03:42 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: RipSawyer

Now you’re getting the new modern “responsible people in charge” method for running a major world economy. Me, I’ve got a farm. At least I’ll be able to eat.


55 posted on 04/23/2016 3:08:43 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: boop

Even if the deficit decreases to one hundred dollars a year there is still a deficit so how could he believe that the annual deficit and the debt are both decreasing at the same time? You have to have an annual operating surplus before the total debt can decrease. As long as an annual deficit exists the total debt is increasing no matter whether the deficit is increasing or decreasing unless somehow part of the debt is forgiven or paid by a third party.


56 posted on 04/23/2016 7:37:09 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: expat_panama

A lot of Conservative “Free Traders” tell us trade deficits don’t matter either. Birds of a feather.


57 posted on 04/23/2016 7:40:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RipSawyer
Yes, we have a lot of toys that didn’t exist a few years ago but we are worse off financially.

Not many people understand that.

58 posted on 04/23/2016 7:43:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RipSawyer

I watched my Grandpa and father both pay for NEW cars with cash. I have never, will never, pay $30,000 cash for a new car. Hell, I have to finance used cars.


59 posted on 04/23/2016 7:45:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama

The USA imports $2.7 Trillion of goods and services every year. A moderate 20% import tariff eliminates the deficit tomorrow.


60 posted on 04/23/2016 7:48:13 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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