Posted on 03/16/2016 10:23:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
No you have missed the point.
He is bringing them back to the land to turn them back to him.
The arabs you want to divide and hand it to and the surrounding nations that are against them are fooled by satan . God is allowing this to happen only to get them to turn back to him . He is then going to destroy all those nations that come against them.
Sorry bud but not only are you missing the whole point but you are calling God a liar and you are siding with his enemies that he is using to turn Israel back to him.
Israel was kicked out of the land for their sins , they were judged 7 times for it . That judgement ended the very day Israel became a nation again.
(Isaiah 66:8) Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
(Isaiah 66:9) Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
(Isaiah 66:10) Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
Are they perfect ? No
Is God working on their hearts ?
You betcha
They are in the land
The land is blooming and so will they.
You know what is sad ?
You are acting just like what you are accusing them of.
There is only one safe place in the Middle East for a Christian , THAT IS ISRAEL . Why are you to blind to see that ?
Don’t be so harsh. There are plenty of FReepers who are just as good a Christian as Archbishop Capucci, Hanan Ashrawi, George Habash and Sirhan Sirhan.
[[Don’t be so harsh. There are plenty of FReepers who are just as good a Christian as Archbishop Capucci, Hanan Ashrawi, George Habash and Sirhan Sirhan.]]
Paganism + Christianity does not equal following Jesus.
All those people have one thing in common , they do not believe the bible and they walk in their own way.
There is a reason why they are being vomited out of the land.
And it’s the muslims they are trying to hand it over to that are chewing them up and spitting them out.
Eze 20:33 As I live, declares the Master YHWH, do not I, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out, reign over you? 34 And I shall bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out. 35 And I shall bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and shall enter into judgment with you face to face there. 36 As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Mitsrayim, so I shall enter into judgment with you, declares the Master YHWH. 37 And I shall make you pass under the rod, and shall bring you into the bond of the covenant, 38 and purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me. From the land where they sojourn I bring them out, but they shall not come into the land of Yisra'el. And you shall know that I am YHWH.
Eze 34:23 And I shall raise up over them one shepherd, My servant Dawiḏ, and he shall feed them. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, YHWH, shall be their Elohim, and My servant Dawid a prince in their midst. I, YHWH, have spoken.
Eze 37:23 And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim, 24 while Dawid My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them.
Isa 11:12 And He shall raise a banner for the nations, and gather the outcasts of Yisra'el, and assemble the dispersed of Yehudah from the four corners of the earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6vC9YwlARg
Eze 11:13 And it came to be, while I was prophesying, that Pelatyahu son of Benayah died. And I fell on my face and cried out with a loud voice, and said, Ah, Master YHWH! Are You making an end of the remnant of Yisra’el? 14 Then the word of YHWH came to me, saying, 15 Son of man, your brothers, your relatives, your kinsmen, and all the house of Yisra’el, all of it, are those whom the inhabitants of Yerushalayim say, Keep far from YHWH (haShem), this land has been given to us as a possession.
You say there is no racism in Israel against Christians & our Yeshua, you are wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrFbNwxAlg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAZfbMccO3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3O3EB6pjHw
I’m not the one turning a blind eye to the truth.
Christians are not being butchered in Israel , they even have the right to worship in their own churches .
Just about every where else in the middle east they are being tossed out of their homes and lined up to be slaughtered.
Do you really need me to start posting pictures of everyone that is being beheaded ?
Like I said before , Israel is not perfect but she is the most humane country in the entire area BY FAR .
Even muslim arabs live better in Israel than they do anywhere in the entire muslim world.
Who is stabbing who in Israel ?
It’s the fakestinians that are sending their own children into Israel to stab Jews . I was a fakestinian that just stabbed an murdered an American walking down a boardwalk with his wife in Jaffa. It was Jews not muslims who rushed his wife to the hospital and saved her life.
Again you post scripture to me without reading the next verses which only proves to me you do not know your bible
Make sure you read verse 16 -21 and let it sink in.
(Ezekiel 11:13) And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?
(Ezekiel 11:14) Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
(Ezekiel 11:15) Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.
(Ezekiel 11:16) Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
(Ezekiel 11:17) Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
(Ezekiel 11:18) And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
(Ezekiel 11:19) And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
(Ezekiel 11:20) That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
(Ezekiel 11:21) But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.
You accuse the Jews of putting their own traditions before scripture and yet you do the exact same thing . Bud that makes you just what you accuse them of . They are wrong for holding tradition above scripture and SO ARE YOU
And that is why you have a stone cold heart and eyes that are completely blind to what is happening .
The Talmud is wholly made up out of thin air. It's laws treat the native as superiors over the strangers. One set of laws for the "Jews" and set of laws for everyone else. That is the stone cold facts, period.
And stone cold heart? Now that is stretching the facts for sure. I have spoken against the regime, not the people. As I have repeatedly said, the people are merely pawns of the regime, just as they were when both temples were destroyed. I have great respect for those who stand up against the corrupt regime there, just as I do here. And I have great sympathy for the persecuted and oppressed there, just as I do here.
And it is amazing that you can't even comprehend what you post...
Ezekiel 11:17) Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
(Ezekiel 11:18) And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Right now Tel Aviv is the homosexual capital of the world and we are supposed to believe that Elohim's presence is in the land?
Ezekiel 37, the stick of Ephraim and the stick of Judah brought back together as one, ALL Israel living in the land with David as sovereign over them & while YHWH of Hosts is also dwelling in their midst. There is a common theme/thread all throughout Moses & the Prophets and that theme/thread is “in that day”, in one day, Israel is gathered up from the nations and is made whole again.
Isa 66:8 Who has heard the like of this? Who has seen the like of these? Is a land brought forth in one day? Is a nation born at once? For as soon as Tsiyon laboured, she gave birth to her children. 9 Shall I bring to birth, and not give delivery?” says YHWH. Shall I who give delivery restrain birth?” said your Elohim.
Balfour Declaration:
Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/balfour.html
So did the Zionists live up to the agreement. The answer would be unequivocally, NO!
What do you not get that God says he is going to bring them
back into the land in unbelief ?
He has brought them back .
It’s a miracle in itself that they are back in their own land . No other nation that has been scattered across the globe like that has ever come back to being a nation again and speaking their own language.
He is opening their eyes to who their Messiah is , there are now many Jewish people who live in Israel that believe Yeshua is their Messiah . A whole lot of those are native born Israelis , many were Orthodox.
If God can open Saul’s eyes he can open theirs too just like he said he would.
Supporting them and their right to their land does not mean I agree with those who put tradition over scripture .
I support their right to their land because I believe the scriptures and I know that God wants them there .
Israel’s entire problem is that they have always wanted to be like the nations and instead of looking towards their creator to save them they look to the nations.
Guess what ? A whole lot of people who call themselves Christians are the exact same way including putting tradition ahead of scripture.
No, He gathers them in unbelief, reiterates the terms of the covenant, the same terms that were given at Mt. Sinai and those who rebel, such as the Korah’s, will be purged from His midst and then the all Israel is gathered back to the land. As it was at Mt Sinai, so it will be again.
Eze 20:34 And I shall bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out. 35 And I shall bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and shall enter into judgment with you face to face there. 36 As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Mitsrayim, so I shall enter into judgment with you,” declares the Master YHWH.
No, He has not brought them back for if He had, there would be no Jew or obedient Sabbath keeping Christian(Isa 56) living outside the land of Israel. And yes He is opening the eyes of some to Messiah, just as He did in the 1st century and since.
But unlike you, I see the Zionist state for what it is, what the Hebrew Scriptures tell me it is. It is the rebellious Pelatiah/Korah’s who are ruling today who have no regard for mercy & justice for all. They have no regard for the authority of YHWH Elohim.
And yes, there are a whole lot of Christians putting tradition over Scripture. Why is that? Because of the doctrines and traditions of men that have cast aside the truth that their ears might be tickled. I know, our family is ripe with preachers teaching heresy.
And that is why we sympathize and have patience with those who have been blinded by the shepherds and priests. Yeshua never rebuked the lay people for their ignorance. He rebuked the elite and the leaders for leading His flock astray. And that is why we read, woe to the shepherds. That is why the priests are called ‘black robed’. They teach darkness instead of light.
Now with all this said, it is also written that the true Israel is a remnant, not the majority. He will gather the “remnant”. As it was before, that not all Israel entered the Promised Land, the fact is, this is going to happen again and we had better get our houses in order and be standing with the remnant lest we also be lost. For how can the lost be saved if there is no one willing to stand in the breach calling them to come out of the darkness and into His light, calling them to return to His truth, to His covenant?
The fact is, YHWH promised that there would always be a remnant of His people in the land. He was not speaking of the Sunday, idol worshiping church, He was speaking of believing Israel, those who keep His commandments & have the testimony of Yeshua (which is in Moses, the prophets & the Psalms). Really, how many times does Moses, the Prophets & the Psalms say, “the Word of YHWH (the LORD)”? We consistently read that it was the Word of YHWH that spoke. It was the Word of YHWH that made the covenant with Abraham. And the Word of YHWH says that this remnant of His will be a comfort to those who will look upon Him whom they pierced.
Eze 14:22 But see, there shall be left in it a remnant who are brought out, both sons and daughters. See, they are coming out to you, and you shall see their ways and their deeds, and shall be comforted concerning the evil which I have brought upon Yerushalayim - all that I have brought upon it. 23 And they shall comfort you, when you see their ways and their deeds. And you shall know that it was not for naught that I have done whatever I did in it, declares the Master YHWH.
If you can obtain a copy of this book, I believe you might find it quite helpful. It reveals in both the Hebrew historical writings as well as the writings from the early church fathers, the true body of Messiah, the true assemblies of Messiah, this assembly of the Nazarenes that existed as communities well into the 4th century when they were finally scattered throughout the world. And they are not this new religious movement called Messianic or Hebrew Roots because those religious movements still carry with them the baggage of the Pharisees that Yeshua rebuked. Faith & belief have nothing to do with a religion, they are a way of life, the life of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Shalom
Nazarene Jewish Christianity by Ray A. Pritz
http://www.amazon.com/Nazarene-Jewish-Christianity-Ray-Pritz/dp/9652237981
You are not walking in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
You are walking in the flesh and have swallowed the same leven Paul warned us about . You are walking in your own merit and are in bondage to the law.
(Romans 8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Romans 8:2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(Romans 8:3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
(Romans 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Mat 7:13 Enter in through the narrow gate! Because the gate is wide - and the way is broad - that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in through it. 14 Because the gate is narrow and the way is hard pressed which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Php 2:5 For, let this mind be in you which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 who, being in the form of Elohim, did not regard equality with Elohim a matter to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 And having been found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, death even of a stake.
Joh 3:36 He who believes in the Son (His Word) possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son (His Word) shall not see life, but the wrath of Elohim remains on him.
He does not say everybody, He say "FEW" find the narrow path that lights His path that our feet are to walk. He says to follow Him. Paul says to imitate Messiah as Paul imitated Messiah. Paul also said to imitate Elohim. One can only imitate if one is following the same Word of Elohim that Elohim, that Messiah & that Paul followed, that Word written down for our instruction at Mt Sinai. Acts 3 & Acts 7
Since you brought up Paul
Paul loved his people , notice the heaviness and sorrow he had in heart for them . He even said that he wished he could make himself accursed to save them . That is how much he loved them . That is how much Christ loves them too.
Anti-zionism is anti-semitism and it’s antichrist too.
You have religion but you don’t know Yeshua nor do you have a heart for his people. You might know who he is but you don’t know him.
(Romans 9:1) I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
(Romans 9:2) That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
(Romans 9:3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
(Romans 9:4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
(Romans 9:5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Please explain how being against a political regime is being against all the people of the land? For if that is the case, the I have been anti-American my entire life because I often disagree with the political regime and speak loudly and openly about it.
You do realize that this don't you? Have you ever spoken out against your government & the elite that run it? And since our American tax dollars, billions of them every year, support the regime in Israel, then I am also entitled to speak against their atrocities am I not? Where is the bible is it written that we must not speak out against the wrong doings of the ruling elite?
Did not Isaiah speak out?
Did not Ezekiel speak out?
Did not Jeremiah speak out?
DID NOT CHRIST SPEAK OUT?!!!
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