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self | 3/15/16 | tatown

Posted on 03/15/2016 5:58:25 AM PDT by tatown

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To: HamiltonJay

You are arguing for a more robust GDP. That is fine, we need that. But tariffs will NEVER get you there. Government is not the friend but the enemy of a robust market economy and a growing GDP. Tariffs (more taxes) hamper GDP and utterly fail to address the underlying causes of businesses fleeing America because of the high cost of doing business here, the solutions to which I’ve explained.


141 posted on 03/15/2016 9:50:14 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
No, “trade deficit” is another misleading modern-day term, like “liberal” or “feminist”. Again, if I go to the store and buy $100 worth of grocers, is that a “problem”? Of course not. I’ve received goods for dollars - a fair trade, beneficial to both parties.

Partly true, and therefore misleading. What you fail to add to the equation is that goods are not only bought and sold, but PRODUCED.

WHERE they are produced makes a huge difference. I say that as a resident of Washington State, with domestic and international exporters such as Microsoft and Boeing.

OF COURSE it matters where the dollars go. Just ask those who receive the paychecks.

142 posted on 03/15/2016 9:52:45 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: Jim 0216
Tariffs are shooting yourself in the foot as explained - they don’t punish the importer, they force higher prices to the American consumer....

Always get chuckle reading that force business as if consumers at every level are denied free will in the matter of buying or not buying. Free market allows for enterprising domestic people to see a market opening to won over the dissatisfied consumer with better prices and maybe even better quality.

143 posted on 03/15/2016 9:54:24 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Fhios

Tiny, little resource poor Hong Kong did it and became an economic powerhouse. Why? Lack of government interference in their market economy and on sales or income tax.

So “trade deficit” per se is a red herring.

But robust growth in our GDP is not a red herring - we need growth in GDP. But tariffs will NEVER get you there. Government is not the friend but the enemy of a robust market economy and a growing GDP. Tariffs (more taxes) hamper GDP and utterly fail to address the underlying causes of businesses fleeing America because of the high cost of doing business here, the solutions to which I’ve explained.


144 posted on 03/15/2016 9:54:38 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: CharleysPride

Hope so! Did my part by voting for Trump in IL.

Some jackass who’d just drawn a Democrat ballot was joking with his buddy who asked for a Republican one about being a “Trump lover” and I was close to suggesting he shut his yap when one of the grayhair election judges gave him a big librarian “Shssssh!”, and he clammed up like his jaws were spring-loaded.


145 posted on 03/15/2016 9:54:42 AM PDT by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Most people (and especially economists and other liberals) fail to understand is that having the US as a market, an economy and a nation makes today’s world possible.


146 posted on 03/15/2016 9:57:03 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: Covenantor

Excuse me, but tariffs are a tax and DO force higher prices on incoming goods. If an importer is offering the best quality for the lowest price and government forces higher prices on those goods, then the government, as usual, has narrowed the best choices available to the consumer.


147 posted on 03/15/2016 9:58:35 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Tarriffs do not hamper the GDP....

Let me ask you something... have you ever heard of Harley Davidson?

DO you know why they have been successful? Have a single clue?

Tarriffs. The large tarriffs placed on large engine motorcycles in 1983, by none other than Reagan himself, has allowed a company that would be dead by now to be what it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/02/business/us-raises-tariff-for-motorcycles.html

When you have nation states dumping, and that do not have remotely a fair or comparable social or economic structure trading with nations that do, you foster the export of wealth and the destruction of the middle class.

If there has been a failure, a demonstrable failure of the US post WWII it has been its abject failure to utilize Trade to lift up the rest of the world, and the biggest reason FREE TRADE!

Had rational and smart bilateral trade agreements been made that required incremental improvements by developing countries that wished access to our markets then the US and Western Europe could have literally help lift a good bit of the world out of poverty and oppression.. instead they embraced a completely idiotic multilateral free trade system that allowed anyone access with little to no requirements on those states.

Free Trade as executed in the latter part of the 20th century is a net destructive force on western civilization as a whole. Its shameful and indefensible, socially, economically and morally.


148 posted on 03/15/2016 9:58:55 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: bigbob

Awesome!

The more they run their mouths, the more desperation they show


149 posted on 03/15/2016 9:59:02 AM PDT by CharleysPride (Today: Trump)
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To: Jim 0216

Trump uses it as a negotiating chip. Cruz’s tax plan calls for a tax on imports and he said it about 3 times in the debate. What’s the difference? Cruz is outright calling for it as a part of tax policy while Trump is using it as a negotiating tool


150 posted on 03/15/2016 10:00:20 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Fhios

It’s interesting watching Cruz and his Cruzies operate. Cruz dumps a bucket of slime on Trump in the MSM for mainstream consumption. Then his “conservative” fixers follow behind insisting he didn’t say what he actually said. They are dogged in this. Alinskyite even. They will never, ever admit that Cruz was wrong. On any subject. If that isn’t a cult, nothing is.


151 posted on 03/15/2016 10:00:46 AM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: Charles Henrickson

It’s not what was said before the “but” that concerns me; it’s what was said after.


152 posted on 03/15/2016 10:02:06 AM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: usconservative

“I voted Trump!”

Excellent


153 posted on 03/15/2016 10:02:10 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: tatown

thansk for the thread.


154 posted on 03/15/2016 10:02:58 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin our secret weapon --Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: rodguy911

155 posted on 03/15/2016 10:07:22 AM PDT by tatown (Cruznoccio - A Washington DC Production)
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To: rodguy911

Running out of GOP ballots in Apopka, FL. Blue collar area. That’s Trump country, IMO. Good sign.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/politics/technical-issues-plague-orange-county-polling-places


156 posted on 03/15/2016 10:08:15 AM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

You have a smart wife.


157 posted on 03/15/2016 10:09:18 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: HamiltonJay

First of all, tariffs DO hamper GDP. Tariffs on anything purchased with a tariff attached and used to offer other products or services has just artificially increased the cost and therefore prices of those goods. Also the money that would have gone back into the economy has just been wasted by going instead to the federal government.

“Free Trade as executed in the latter part of the 20th century” is an oxymoron. Government has so unconstitutionally and radically inserted itself into our economy that it has little resemblance to a free market.


158 posted on 03/15/2016 10:11:37 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: tatown
This from Rubio today:
Marco Rubio said he has acted childishly while fighting with Donald Trump He said he felt embarrassed by his behavior and apologized to his wife, children and younger supporters at a rally in West Palm Beach, Florida Rubio's rally was his last stop on Monday and could be his last stop on the campaign trail
Sounds like an OPUS to me.
159 posted on 03/15/2016 10:12:18 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Jeff Head

Could be but that call will be made by his handlers (GOPe) and not him.


160 posted on 03/15/2016 10:15:26 AM PDT by tatown (Cruznoccio - A Washington DC Production)
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