America Under A Strong Delusion

The Word on Politics ^ | 2/19/16 | Andy Woods

[wideawake]

Candidates have a fine line to walk.

They need to explain that their religious convictions drive their sense of right and wrong and enter into their political decisions.

At the same time they need to demonstrate that they are apllying for jobs that require impartiality toward all law-abiding citizens.

The fact is that Donald Trump's "base" in the real world is unchurched, non-college educated white men over 50, and his "base" on Twitter is largely anti-Semites.

Both groups have a strong animosity toward "holy rollers."

[TXnMA]

" However, one point that was not discussed, and has greatly perplexed me, is how it is that a number of nationally known conservative and evangelical leaders have now publicly embraced Trump."

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Well, then, you missed the entire point of the article: God has given the US over to its own delusions. (Not quite, "Go to hell!", but, more closely, "Go wherever your perverted, deluded, sinful desires take you.")

The result is the same...

The recent degradation in FR discourse -- indeed, the anti-religion, sarcastic tone and delusional "anti-Trump" misinterpretation of this very thread -- is proof.

[Obadiah]

Been around awhile, but even I have found the recent discourse here shocking — in a very, very disappointing way.

[xzins]

It's hard to deny that this IS an anti-Trump article. It tries to use religion to undergird it's anti-trump opinion. The bottom line is that it's opinion, and that religious opinions can be countered point by point by someone who sees it differently. The bottom line is Daniel 2. God raises and deposes kings. Lots of evidence exists that Trump will win. In that is the hand of God. God raised idolatrous nebuchadnezzar to be both a judgment and a blessing to israel. He raised idolatrous Cyrus and nonetheless used him as a blessing.

[betty boop]

Here's a little tidbit from Ralph Waldo Emerson that bears on the current controversy re: Donald Trump:

People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character. We can only see what we are; if we misbehave, we suspect others.

Read in "Donald Trump" for "the world" here to get my gist....

My prediction, FWIW: Ted Cruz is toast. At this point he'd be lucky to win the Texas primary.

From my point of view, a genuine Christian does not tell lies. [Which Cruz definitely does, systematically]. For a lie is always a falsification of Reality, of the Creation that God has made and ever sustains.

Why is it that some of the most uncharitable, merciless, and vain people I know are self-described Christians?

[xzins]

See #84

[Jeff Head]

As a nation, we are where we are. Everyone who sincerely believes in, accepts as their personal Savior, and seeks to follow Jesus Christ (realizing that we are all weak vessels which is precisely why we need His atonement) should be praying for our nation on a daily basis...and along the lines (IMHO) of II Chron. 7:14.

Our nation has much to atone for collectively...and most specifically with abortion which is the wanton killing of God's innocent children in the womb.

At the same time, there are tens of millions of good Christian Americans who do not agree with it and have worked tirelessly to fight it. I believe that if God would have speared Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of 50 (and less) then he will spare America for the sake of 50 million (and more).

This does not mean that He will not call us up in remembrance of what He has done for our nation, or to continue to call us repent and call upon Him. He has told us that he is willing to Chastise those He loves...and American will definitely be chastised, just as the children of Israel (IMHO).

Relating to Trump, I recently had a close friend ask me about Trump and the concerns he has with him. Here's how I replied:

My biggest issue with Trump is his disposition. My biggest fear is that if presented with a Congress that balks or does not rubber stamp what he wants...he would be inclined himself to use “Executive Action,” to bypass Congress.

This would be just as unconstitutional...even if he is doing things we happen to like (like on immigration).

Having said that, I believe Trump wants America to be strong in terms of economics, in terms of immigration, taxes (see economics), foreign policy, military (see foreign policy).

I believe he has changed his own tune/view with respect to abortion, at least I believe he is sincere. He has kids and grandkids now...and the life events associated with having and loving grandkids tends to be a strong influence away from abortion for people who are honest and who love their families.

Finally, I think he is absolutely serious about actually doing the following:

- The Wall and Immigration sanity
- Overturning Obama Care and replacing it
- Rescinding/not honoring Obama’s Iran deal
- Tax Reform
- Stronger foreign policy geared to American interests
- A strong US Military (procurement, funding, technology)
- Defunding Planned Parenthood
- Support of local Police

(On that last one, I have a feeling he would come down on hard on activities like we are seeing with the Black Lives Matter crowd’s inciting riot and sedition.)

I am not sure we will see reversals on some of the social issues...which need to be addressed as well.

But on these issues...I am not sure we will see what Obama (and others) have done turned around. Maybe he will...but I am simply not sure:

- Gay Marriage
- Sexual orientations in the military
- Pushing women into combat (SpecOps, Subs, etc.)
- Use of Imminent domain
- Etc.

But, given where we are as a nation right now, if Trump will actually go forward and do the majority of that first list...I believe he would have the support of a Republican Congress and it would make a huge difference in turning things around for the better from where they are right now.

Cruz is still my first choice for reasons I have already explained many times here on FR...but because I honestly believe what I just wrote about Trump...I would absolutely vote for Trump if he is the nominee.

Any of the remaining GOP candidates would be many orders of magnitude better for this nation (despite whatever flaws they have...and they all have them, just as we do) than Sanders, or Hillary, or Bloomberg, etc.

[betty boop]

My biggest issue with Trump is his disposition. My biggest fear is that if presented with a Congress that balks or does not rubber stamp what he wants...he would be inclined himself to use "Executive Action" to bypass Congress.

Dear Jeff, I do not see on what objective, rational basis this fear rests.

I totally agree with your list of things that Trump is "absolutely serious about actually doing." As far as the social issues are concerned, the PROBLEM is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has taken them up in the first place. ALL the issues you mention are, to me, properly Tenth Amendment matters (with the exceptions of gays in the military and women in combat roles -- the government was foolish to tred there in the first place). These issues should have been left to the several States and the People thereof to decide. IMHO, the federal government should not be in the prescriptive morality business in the first place.

At least, that is my belief FWIW.

Also, FWIW, I have strong doubts that Bloomberg will run as a third-party candidate -- unless he actually wants to prove the maxim, "The fool and his money are quickly parted." I think he's too smart for that....

As far as Hillary is concerned, she is a strident, charmless, graceless person, with a well-documented history of systematic, pathological lying over the past three decades, with probable serious health issues, who is in deep legal do-do over her private, illegal server and "pay-to-play" charitable foundation... . How on earth is she electable?

And Bernie Sanders -- are there enough callow children around to elect a septuagenarian socialist/communist??? Jeepers, maybe he'd be lucky to survive his first term in office....

Good grief!!! What a political year this is! I've never seen anything like it before, in my lifetime!

Meanwhile, I'm all-in for The Donald.

Thanks so much for writing, Jeff.

[xzins]

I agree with most of your post, Sister Betty, and I commend you on it. I do agree that things like a homosexualist military and a non-qualified military are things the federal government ‘can’ decide. Whether it is socially or militarily wise should be decided by the next commander in chief. A commander should have the flexibility to fight his wars according to sound military principles and not according to a past commander’s vision. A Trump SHOULD be able to say that for the sake of combat effectiveness he can change any social arrangement that has been made.

You say that things such as homosexual marriage should be left to the states. My objection to that is the 10th amendment does say “or to the people” or something like that. No government, state or any other, has the authority to impose homosexualism, abortion, or any other unwanted behavior on any people. Those issues should be a matter of referendum. And in most states the PEOPLE voted them down.

The arrogance of the judiciary in thinking it has the authority to strike down a fairly voted upon, rational decision of the people about what they want their community to look like is anti-constitutional, for WE THE PEOPLE have established this government and we are the premier branch of government.

[Lazamataz]

My biggest issue with Trump is his disposition.

America needs a Pinochet. We need to systemically remove liberals from the population.

Trump will create motorcycle death squads. That's all I ask for, is that so wrong?

[Lazamataz]

Motorcycle Death Squads are sanctioned in the New Testament.

“Lo, verily, be not of socialist mind, lest the soldier astride the iron beast snuff it. Selah.”

[betty boop]

No government, state or any other, has the authority to impose homosexualism, abortion, or any other unwanted behavior on any people. Those issues should be a matter of referendum. And in most states the PEOPLE voted them down.

Exactly right, dear brother in Christ!

But this situation has occurred precisely because the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights activists KNOW that no state nor federal legislature will pass their agenda; and popular referenda that do not go their way are to be ignored. That is why their chosen strategy is to apply to the courts -- even though, as the only non-political branch of the three separate but equal branches of government, the courts have no competence under the Constitution (federal or state) to take up such issues in the first place.

But politically activist courts DO take up these issues. I consider this state of affairs to be at complete variance with the Framers' understanding of the role of the courts. I.e., they are designed from the get-go to be non-political in their scope and functions; to be fair adjudicators of controversies in which they have no part themselves.

Thus the critical importance of judicial philosophy of judges appointed to the Article III courts. There is no constitutional room for politicians on such courts.

Thank you so much for your insightful essay/post, dear brother In Christ!

[betty boop]

...In that is the hand of God. God raised idolatrous nebuchadnezzar to be both a judgment and a blessing to israel. He raised idolatrous Cyrus and nonetheless used him as a blessing.

The Lord makes all things new. Sometimes what we perceive to be a curse turns out to be a blessing. First and last, all proceeds according to the will, the wisdom, and the grace of God.

All thanks and praise be unto Him!!!

Thank you so much, dear Brother xzins, for your beautiful essay/post!

[right way right]

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