Posted on 01/28/2016 12:59:06 PM PST by Kaslin
... BUT the newborn child of a U.S. military family stationed abroad is only "naturalized at birth," with a constitutional status actually inferior to that of the Mexican anchor baby?
“He already cleared the question up. He is a natural born citizen”
Of CANADA.
Obama showed no proof and he’s been president fo 7 LONG years. This isn’t an issue anymore.
Yup, you don’t need to read up on it. You were born KNOWING something. Good to know.
300 million
If only a court or a congressional committee could have been convinced of that, but it never happened.
Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint
Taitz v. Obama (Quo Warranto) “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.‗ Chief U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, April 14, 2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30040084/TAITZ-v-OBAMA-QW-23-MEMORANDUM-OPINION-dcd-04502943496-23-0
My name is neither Jon nor Stewart but thanks for playing!
One thing - Cruzs mother would have to produce all the same records to apply for a US passport for Cruz. Why would she not apply for the CRBA? If a CRBA is just some pointless worthless document, why would there be this whole process in place?
Maybe it is something you should study further. You think?
“If one wants to argue that Cruz is disqualified because his parents were abroad when he was born, one has to be willing to also disqualify all the foreign born children of U.S. military families, all the foreign born children of U.S. business expats on their five year assignments to Rotterdam, London, or Tokyo, all the foreign born children of U.S. diplomats, missionaries, academics teaching abroad, etc. “
“Yes, I know, some adventurous democratic scholars are now arguing that there is a distinction between “natural born citizen” and a citizen “automatically naturalized at birth.” That is the kind of nonsense on stilts that is being invented. Enough. If you have been a citizen since birth, you are eligible to run for president.”
Sphinx, you are “disqualified” from posting on this site. You make too much common sense to be allowed to swim among the the muck of mindless, misguided, misintropes that perpetuate this site. :-)
“All this involves far too much stretching to pass the laugh test. The trick is how to singularly disqualify Cruz without tying oneself up in knots that will boomerang on many others. It can’t be done.”
This sort of logic, with its desire for consistency, is not something the left worries about. The Supreme Court certainly did not do so on the issues of “Gay Marraige” or if Obamacare is constitutional.
I fail to find persuasive the argument that the left will not persue this because it would disqualify many people or be inconsistent.
What you describe, pure jus sanguinas, breaks down exactly as you describe. Many people have a hard time separating family from nation.
I do agree that his citizenship does not depend on action by the U.S. Consulate in Canada.
You’re the one who needs to read and study. I’ve already done that.
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html
“According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.
The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible.”
I’ve already done the reading. I pointed you to the info on this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3389694/replies?c=321
How long was mother Cruz over in England with Husband #1? She ends up coming back to the US after her child - which she became pregnant with well after the divorce from Husband #1 - died from SIDS. Then she very soon after seems to have met Cruz, and they moved off to Canada, from ‘67 to ‘75, right?
All those babies born abroad are in fact disqualified. hate to break their dream, but that’s the constitution. Recent case law (Aug 2015) on the subject of a baby born on a US military base in Germany. NOT A CITIZEN, because the citizen parent lacked the US residence necessary to transmit citizenship, and a US base abroad is not “in the US” for citizenship purposes.
Nobody is saying they aren't Americans. They are naturalized Americans, full citizens as much as anybody else. The only thing they aren't, is qualified to be president or VP.
I made this same exact point at 78.
Anyone who wants a U.S. passport has to apply for one, but no one is required to apply for a passport or a CRBA.
If a citizen wants to travel outside of the U.S., he needs a passport. Otherwise, he doesn’t.
Not having a passport or CRBA will definitely make it difficult to register for school or get any government benefits.
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