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Donald Trump will soon betray the GOP
The Week ^ | 1/28 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 01/28/2016 8:22:06 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue

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To: TangledUpInBlue

Aint there a bear in the woods or something?


201 posted on 01/28/2016 2:41:31 PM PST by woofie
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I'd rather give Trump one chance to betray me than give the GOP their 17th.

That's it in a nutshell.

Thanks.

(Although I'd say 1700th)

202 posted on 01/28/2016 2:46:08 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: HamiltonJay

I disagree, I find Cruz extremely charismatic and compelling. I watched his Obamacare filibuster for hours and never was bored. And his debate answers are amazing while most of the other candidates put me to sleep with their lack of focus and clarity.

I will never sacrifice the right policies in order to win an election. You have provided absolutely no evidence that anyone who’s moderate on policy or ideology can win. All of those guys like Romney lost.

So please, take your, if we just run a moderate we’ll win nonsense and take it back into the loser locker room, with every other moderate Republican who’s failed to win the general election.

Obama soared to victory by being a rigid ideologue as far as his base was concerned. We need to do the same. If a candidate can “trick” liberals into thinking he’s moderate, fine. But if we as the base can’t sense he’s a conservative, there’s no hope of a victory. The base has to be energized. It’s just like coming out with a Star Wars movie. When in the opening week, the hardcore fans make it a hugely popular event, it created an energy that gets average people who otherwise wouldn’t care following them to the theater like lemmings. That’s the kind of energy that wins election. The fuzzy-minded “swing voters” like to jump on the bandwagon, and that bandwagon is driven by the ideological base.


203 posted on 01/28/2016 3:03:39 PM PST by JediJones ("Beautiful, famous, successful, married - I've had them all, secretly." -Trump on women in 2007 book)
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Again we will just have to disagree... Cruz has the charisma of a wet noodle. He can preach to the choir but that’s it. He’s stufy, condescending and has all the charm of a rock. To the choir he can resonate to anyone else, nope, not one lick.

Obama did not cast himself as an ideologue, is he one? Yes but that is not how he sold himself in 08 at all. He pretty much said nothing and let the disgust with the Bush years let people paint whatever they wanted on him.

Did some folks see through it? Yes, but the majority did not. Obama was able to leverage the “anyone but Clinton” wing of the democratic arm to take the primary, by pretty much saying nothing... He then went on to win because the electorate was not going to allow another republican adminstration out of anger at Bush.

2016 should be a cakewalk for any republican, Hillary is a terrible candidate and Obama has been a failure, but even with those facts in place I don’t see a cakewalk for any traditional republican because too much of the base is disgusted with them and too much of the middle has gone apathetic with disgust as well.

Hillary needs a boogeyman to win, she can’t motivate folks to vote for her she has to motivate them to vote against the other guy and Cruz is the perfect boogie man, his nearly forcing the US into default along with his general cold demeanor make him probably the best boogeyman they left could be handed this cycle.

Could I live with a Cruz adminstration? Sure, but I don’t see him or any of the traditional republicans cracking the map, winning is at best a squeaker GOTV election just like 12 and guess what Romney didn’t even get the GOTV of McCain. If he had there would not have been a second Obama term.

An ideological election this cycle is a non started because republicans have shown they won’t stick to their principals so arguing ideology is pointless... Combine that with an electorate that is not looking for ideology and you lose. Trump is winning with a simple message.. That is America comes first... No one else can make that claim with credibility because they are part of a system that everyone knows has been selling this nation down the tubes for decades. Regardless of their party affiliation.

Cruz won’t win the primary and if he can’t win the primary he stands no shot in the general. It’s really no more complicated than that.


204 posted on 01/28/2016 5:14:20 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

That is a completely specious and factually inaccurate analysis. Romney got almost 1 million more votes than McCain. So if you’re getting simple facts that take 5 seconds to look up wrong, it shows just how wrong you must be on everything else.

I wasn’t part of the choir and Cruz won me over through his wonderful work in the Senate explaining conservative principles and exposing the corruption.

Cruz is NOT part of a system and not a traditional Republican. He is the most prominent of all the Tea Party revolution candidates. The next stage of the Tea Party revolution is to get one in the White House and he is our first and best chance to do so.

Obama sure as hell ran as an ideologue. He ran on “spreading the wealth,” on his extreme partial-birth abortion support, on fundamentally transforming America.

If you’re right about the Dems wanting a boogeyman candidate, Trump is the ULTIMATE boogeyman for them. They can tear him apart like no other candidate they’ve ever faced. He would be portrayed as the greedy real estate developer and casino owner billionaire who trampled all over the common man. He would be cast as a racist and sexist, out-of-date throwback to the “dog whistle” Nixon era. And he’d be portrayed as a power-mad megalomaniac, too erratic and unstable to have his finger on the button. Trump is the dream candidate the Dems want to run against. Trump already polls the worst in the pack, except perhaps for Jeb, and is virtually unelectable.


205 posted on 01/29/2016 12:13:12 AM PST by JediJones ("Beautiful, famous, successful, married - I've had them all, secretly." -Trump on women in 2007 book)
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