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Oregon Occupier Killed In Standoff Climax Preferred Death To Prison (Claims of Hand up & Unarmed)
TPM ^ | 27 Jan 16 | Rick Bowmer

Posted on 01/27/2016 5:55:49 AM PST by xzins

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To: fruser1

Remember, in most land seizure / Eminent Domain cases, many states require that the seizing party pay for your lawyer FROM THE OUTSET of the case. You don’t have to win, just object to the taking, and they pay for your lawyer.

Never try to fight a case like this without:

1: Getting a good EXPERIENCED lawyer NOW.

2: Getting your Congressman involved NOW.

3: Documenting EVERYTHING on multiple videos starting NOW.

4: Having lawyer send a certified letter that he/she and only he/she is to be the recipient of any communications sent to you by the gmvt, and by Certified Mail only. That stops the “well, they weren’t home, so we left the notice on the door” BS.


281 posted on 01/27/2016 2:50:38 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: fruser1

PS, had a lawyer friend who loved to break Gmvt’s chops.

Instead of the old formal English closing of a letter: I remain, your obedient servant.... he would end his letters with “You remain my obedient servant....”


282 posted on 01/27/2016 2:54:31 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: wtd

Thanks.


283 posted on 01/27/2016 3:05:04 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I'm fed up.)
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz
One of may partners represented someone in a situation such as yours. Even though the Feds were legally right on the issue of Eminent Domain, there were much better ways to accomplish the same thing, and the local Feds had been very abusive.

ANY taking of land under Eminent Domain requires reasonable compensation for the same. In this case it was fraudulent and a written contract was broken. BTW I never disputed the need for their power line and actually the terms were in good faith on our part negotiated without any legal hearings. IOW the agency came to us, made a offer we considered reasonable, and we did it according to written terms.

It went sour when they changed plans on their tower configurations and decided to just try and ram it through in hopes landowners were stupid or too scared of TVA to try and stop it. I was the only one at first to say Oh No You Aren't. The Camcorder was legal. It was on my property {not their R.O.W.} and I was using it to record all my statements with camera running with a time stamp so they could not say I made any harmful threats.

TVA has a long standing history of abuses some even condoned by the later Senator Howard Baker and the late Congressman John Duncan Sr. where land was taken for Tellico Lake well above and beyond full pool and flood stage to sell to developers for multimillion dollar lots. The first test of the Endangered Species was not as such about the welfare of the Snail Darter in the Little Tennessee River rather it was about a region where citizens were using it to sue TVA to bring some accountability for long standing abuses. The lake even by TVA's own admission was not needed, was not ever going to generate enough power to justify cost, and they could not justify it. Someone higher up had political connections and wanted a lake and lake front property for gated communities.

My concerns with the powerline on my place proved correct. While I did save my home because I stood my ground then and there, the major once in 100 year flood TVA caused did not get it the next spring. How did TVA cause it? By poor reclaiming policies they used cutting a R.O.W. on a steep ridge about a mile long and 500ft wide. I've lived where I'm at basically over 55 years. Some of my neighbors were in their 90's. They never witnessed mud boiling up out of the springs like that powerline had caused. It likely cost two persons downstream their life. We'd all seen much harder rains for a longer time but this flood was different. No previous storms much more severe and longer in intensity had done this before.

TVA had failed to properly reclaim my land after their clear cut and ensure the new cover foliage needed to prevent this had taken root. They failed even after that flood as well. The flooding was about 100ft in elevation below the powerline.

I went to their Inspector Generals Office and showed them pictures. This was after their Right of Way Crew said it wasn't their problem nor responsibility. Two days later it was replanted in game cover by TVA. They suddenly located the liquid seed trucks they said they didn't have.

284 posted on 01/27/2016 3:16:23 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz

Good line, and good advice prior. Thanks!


285 posted on 01/27/2016 3:21:30 PM PST by fruser1
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To: xzins

“I despise this government.”

The good thing is we do not have to do anything for it to collapse...I think this is the year.


286 posted on 01/27/2016 3:43:02 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: novemberslady

watch his video he admits he saw nothing and was only “quoting” someone else that is still locked up.

He also admits that he only recently arrived there about three weeks ago.


287 posted on 01/27/2016 4:17:40 PM PST by usmcobra (Happiness is a belt fed weapon.)
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To: crazydad

Yes, I found them disconcerting also>


288 posted on 01/27/2016 4:26:40 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (The Huckster for Prez!)
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To: redreno; Smokin' Joe
Enjoy Solitary. Terrorists all.

Interesting. You must be a terrorist, then, because this is on your FR main home page: < I am a disobedient individualist. Habitual line crosser.

289 posted on 01/27/2016 4:29:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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To: Lazamataz

Sure smells like it came from under the bridge, doesn’t it?


290 posted on 01/27/2016 4:31:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: usmcobra
watch his video he admits he saw nothing and was only “quoting” someone else that is still locked up.

He also admits that he only recently arrived there about three weeks ago.


He never mentioned anything the woman Victoria said, even though he was transported with her.
I can't understand how someone could be driving Ammon Bundy but not be arrested.
And released after just two hours of questioning?
291 posted on 01/27/2016 4:37:26 PM PST by novemberslady
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

The post has been removed. I hope I find the reason in more comments in this thread. Thanks, tho.


292 posted on 01/27/2016 4:39:27 PM PST by blu (If you don't read the story at the link, don't comment. Your ignorance will be on display-except Laz)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y92PvMFL0Eg&feature=youtu.be


293 posted on 01/27/2016 4:55:17 PM PST by novemberslady
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To: cva66snipe

Has an EXPERIENCED attorney told you that you have run all your compensation possibilities?

Good luck


294 posted on 01/27/2016 5:02:52 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: AuntB; Salvation; Travis McGee; KC_Lion; LucyT

Pinging out to all y’all; copy it down, archive it, however you can!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3389155/posts?page=134#134


295 posted on 01/27/2016 5:28:54 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: usmcobra

And he was smart and knew what to say, and he was only visiting the reserve, and he didn’t get public visibility, and .....


296 posted on 01/27/2016 5:54:05 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (/s implied, usless explicitly stated as not applying.)
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To: xzins

WRS has this purported eyewitness recording at the link

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/malheur-link-dumpopen-thread-27jan/

Was LaVoy Finicum Shot w/Hands in the Air? Eye Witness Audio Testimony Here...

mtnforge | January 27, 2016 at 09:14 | Reply
Max posted this audio clip from Victoria, (recorded from her phone by unknown reporter interviewing her), Victoria was in the vehicle sleeping beside Ammond when ambush began, Victoria claims feds opened fire on them, they only had side arms in the vehicle, nobody resisted or brandished their pistols. She claims no one had a chance, that Ryan was shot as he had his hands and head out the window, as they all did who could reach. When the feds began shooting them LeVoy tried to drive out of the kill zone as they where being hit with bullets, they collided with a snow bank, Levoy got out with his hands up and was shot dead and as his body was lying on the pavement was shot multiple times, Ryan was further wounded as they lay on the floor of the truck, Victoria clams they where hit at least 120 times. She claims the woods where lined with agents, shooting came from two distinct angles, that there where more vehicles than you could count waiting when she and her friends where stopped.
It sounds really ugly. Sounds like the feds bushwhacked them and intended to kill them if the account of all the rounds hitting them is accurate. Victoria’s account sounds as genuine as anything I have listened to.

Video embedded here. Was running as of this comment post.:

http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/ammon-bundy-arrested-and-shootout/

It is worthwhile clicking through and listening to audio. If what she was saying is true, the leadership was lured to an FBI ambush and the killing was just plain old FBI murder of a target suspect.


297 posted on 01/27/2016 6:40:10 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jeff Head

Ruby Ridge & Waco were a massive overreach by public servants that caused deaths of innocent citizens. It’s like these situations are set up to result in the unnecessary use of deadly tactical force. The rules of engagement need to be exposed and disclosed. Our Bill of Rights are under assault.


298 posted on 01/27/2016 6:49:37 PM PST by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz

Lighten up Francis


299 posted on 01/27/2016 6:50:34 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jack Black

You are correct JB


300 posted on 01/27/2016 6:52:42 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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