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Trump's Support for Ethanol Is Bad for Taxpayers and Their Cars
The National Review ^ | January 21, 2016 | Jillian Kay Melchior

Posted on 01/21/2016 2:17:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: 1rudeboy

Food should have kept up with the price of everything else. Corn was $2/bushel in 1950. The prices have been kept artificially depressed by government programs. Gas was what 20 cents a gallon in 1950, how bout corn at $14/Bushel to keep up with gas at $1.40/gallon since farming is a very energy intense operation.


241 posted on 01/21/2016 9:35:11 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: DB

Did you ever hear of modern agricultural technology. Do you know about the impact on corn yield and that some produce corn produces 400 gallons ETOH per acre which consists primarily of CO2 from the air and solar capture by the leaves? After the ETOH is processed you are left with a high protein feed and cornstalks for roughage? Corn grows like bamboo, it is a relative.
I never implied ETOH or gas make engines last longer.

Like you said, you can buy electric, a very popular option in CA, or mass transit, or move out or close to work.

What do you do for work?


242 posted on 01/21/2016 9:49:07 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Dusty Road

Oil has had monstrous subsidies, allowed cheap leases on PUBLIC land, and so goes the list. My point is, there isn’t an industry or business out there that hasn’t received government support. Have you been paying attention to how modern agriculture is constantly demonized. Have you heard of GMOs?


243 posted on 01/21/2016 9:54:06 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Dusty Road

The idea was to reduce oil buying from enemy countries using our dollars to buy terrorists to murder Americans. See how it works?


244 posted on 01/21/2016 9:57:46 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: NorthMountain

So the demorats aren’t the enemy. They have convinced you that the republicans are the real and present danger? Wow.


245 posted on 01/21/2016 9:59:39 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: CA Conservative

You are aware ETOH blend has been available in the Midwest since the 1970s right? Hitler ran a good portion of his war machine on ETOH. Did you know that?


246 posted on 01/21/2016 10:01:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: i_robot73

Subsidies (regardless if ethanol, sugar, milk, etc.) make whores of farmers and the taxpayers the dupes””

As with every industry, including yours. Can you still get on that high horse?


247 posted on 01/21/2016 10:03:03 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 was proposed, passed, and signed by Republicans.

That’s simply a fact. Try to wrap your head around it.


248 posted on 01/21/2016 10:08:14 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Neoliberalnot
And exactly what relevance does that have to this discussion? The issue is not whether or not ethanol may or may not have good uses - it is whether or not the government should be forcing people to buy it and use it. The CONSERVATIVE and CONSTITUTIONAL position is that government has no place mandating that anyone buy a particular product. But as I have said before, it is very apparent that Trump supporters are not conservatives or constitutionalists.
249 posted on 01/21/2016 10:16:52 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: NorthMountain

The idea was to reduce oil buying from enemy countries using our dollars to buy terrorists to murder Americans. See how it works?


250 posted on 01/21/2016 10:17:39 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Blah, blah, blah.

It was proposed, passed, and signed by Republicans. You can’t polish a turd by stamping “Republican” on it. See how it works?


251 posted on 01/21/2016 10:20:29 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: CA Conservative
CONSTITUTIONAL

Thank you. Where in Article I or in any of the Amendments is Congress authorized to even think about an "energy policy" of any sort?

252 posted on 01/21/2016 10:21:51 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Neoliberalnot

“”Oil has had monstrous subsidies,””

Well then you should have a monstrous list of them, please provide it.


253 posted on 01/21/2016 10:23:01 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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To: CA Conservative
The CONSERVATIVE and CONSTITUTIONAL position is that government has no place mandating that anyone buy a particular product. But as I have said before, it is very apparent that Trump supporters are not conservatives or constitutionalists.

Ditto!

254 posted on 01/21/2016 10:30:34 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: Neoliberalnot

In a phrase: HELL, YES!

I’m not in the same stream as the SS shills (IE: “I *paid* into”) that exist, even on this site. I, for one, will not indenture our fellow Citizens/progeny for some altruistic fell-good’isms. If that means *I* should ‘suffer’, so be it.

NO subsidies. PERIOD.

It’s NOT govt property (aka $$$) to give, nor do they have the authority to do so; though, those facts haven’t stopped ‘em in the past.

I’m sure *poor* ol’ farmer Ted Turner won’t turn down your charity.


255 posted on 01/21/2016 11:01:10 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: 1rudeboy

If you don’t know the difference between working taxpayers and welfare slugs you must be from Massachusetts.


256 posted on 01/21/2016 11:39:25 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: CA Conservative

You are not forced to buy ETOH, so stop lying about it. You are forced to buy insurance, pay taxes, file tax returns, and pay government rent for property you own. None of us are forced to buy ETOH.


257 posted on 01/21/2016 11:48:01 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: NorthMountain

Can we keep it on an adult level?


258 posted on 01/21/2016 11:50:36 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Dusty Road

Leases on PUBLIc lands by the 100s. Check out the North slope of Alaska.


259 posted on 01/21/2016 11:52:05 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: i_robot73

If we can rid the nation of all government checks and subsidies, count me in, but to selectively demonize agriculture as welfare and all the rest as independent businesses, count me out of the BS. For the record, my father never accepted social security until we forced him to at age 78 and he was penalized when he needed some return.


260 posted on 01/21/2016 11:56:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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