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Trump's Support for Ethanol Is Bad for Taxpayers and Their Cars
The National Review ^ | January 21, 2016 | Jillian Kay Melchior

Posted on 01/21/2016 2:17:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: 1rudeboy

We’ve entered the twilight zone...

And it’s only beginning! If Cruz falls it will swing even harder left...


181 posted on 01/21/2016 4:58:14 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

nations that produce oil have been investing their petrol profits into our stock market for years. With current oil deflation, oil profits are becoming insufficient to make ends meet.


182 posted on 01/21/2016 4:58:43 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: 1rudeboy

You are reaping the benefits of a stable food supply just like every other American.


183 posted on 01/21/2016 5:00:33 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: RC one

Da, comrade.


184 posted on 01/21/2016 5:00:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: sitetest

Actually, it’s good for America too.


185 posted on 01/21/2016 5:01:24 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: 1rudeboy

LOL. Sure, I’m a communist for supporting a stable food supply.


186 posted on 01/21/2016 5:02:19 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: RC one

Over supply isn’t the same thing as deflation. In addition oil was artificially high because of oil cartels through extortion. Kind of like ethanol... Fracking messed all of that up and now there’s more oil than demand.


187 posted on 01/21/2016 5:02:43 AM PST by DB
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To: DanZ

My average well on the ranch produces 30 barrels of oil per day and 60 MCF NG, all from an area less than an acre in size.
From the oil they’ll get about 20 gallons of gas and about 9 gallons of diesel per barrel. Or 219,000 gallons of gas and 98,550 gallons of diesel per year. This also includes 21,900 MCF Natural gas.

A bushel of corn produces 2.8 gallons of ethanol and has an average of 142 bushels per acre giving you 397 gallons per acre per year. It would take 799 acres of corn to produce as much liquid fuel as that single well in a year and we still haven’t mentioned the NG.

Why would we even remotely consider corn as fuel source? What level of insanity decided to make it a mandatory source?
In my opinion it has nothing to do with protecting a food source or jobs but it does do a hell of a good job in buying and securing votes, kind of like the CRP program. If I can get you to take my money I have your vote for life! People are so easily bought.


188 posted on 01/21/2016 5:03:52 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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To: DB
The over supply is what stabilizes the food supply. The price support is what stabilizes the over supply. There is no down side other than it offends the delicate sensibilities of a few radicals who don't appreciate how good things are in this country.
189 posted on 01/21/2016 5:06:07 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: RC one

Back to hence, the money is running out that was driving it up. There’s been nowhere else to invest because interest rates are practically zero.


190 posted on 01/21/2016 5:07:22 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

How is that forcing you to buy? Cite an industry not supported by government. You are forced to buy health insurance. See the difference?


191 posted on 01/21/2016 5:09:43 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Trump’s positions shift like snow in a blizzard. Yes, he is a crony capitalist, but he will say or do anything to get elected.


192 posted on 01/21/2016 5:09:48 AM PST by mconley22
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To: 1rudeboy

I am a small farmer.


193 posted on 01/21/2016 5:10:53 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: justlittleoleme

What we are sadly finding out is that small government conservatism is dead. Us small government free markets types are destined for the wilderness for awhile. We are learning that the so-called conservative base was not so conservative after all. We thought that the base wanted to cut big government down to its constitutional limit, but we were wrong. The new conservative base wanted nothing to do with our Milton Friedman small government free market world. They just want big government to work for them. They want a return to the days of FDR and Harry Truman. Back in the days before the New Left, think Hippies, turned them off from the Democrats. We are finding that the base are not Reagan conservatives but FDR New Dealers. They want big government to do its thing, but still get a tear in their eye when hearing,”Proud To Be An American.” All the efforts to promote free market solutions have been an abject failure. The federal leviathan is destined to keep rolling along for mamy decades to come. Again, us small government types have lost the argument. We might have thought we were winning for a time, but we were wrong.


194 posted on 01/21/2016 5:15:01 AM PST by gusty
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To: Lumper20

This is why Cruz’s position is to phase the subsidies.

BTW this should demonstrate why there should be no ethanol industry, it isn’t competitive without government funding.

Think about it, taxpayer money to enrich Archer Daniels Midlands?

Trump wants to double down, imcrease the amount of Ethanol?

Trump doesn’t even see that Government mandates are the problem, he doesn’t get it since he has been sucking at the government’s teat.


195 posted on 01/21/2016 5:15:34 AM PST by Leto
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To: Neoliberalnot

Well there’s about 18 gas stations in California that don’t have ethanol in state of 30+ million. So yes I don’t have to buy it... I could get an electric car, a bicycle or walk... What was I thinking...

And as far as healthcare.

No actually I don’t see the difference.

I don’t want to be force to buy healthcare.

In addition what’s really happening is I’m being forced to buy my healthcare and many others healthcare too. Okay, I’m not forced... I could quit my job and collect “free” healthcare...


196 posted on 01/21/2016 5:16:30 AM PST by DB
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To: Neoliberalnot

In what country?


197 posted on 01/21/2016 5:17:14 AM PST by DB
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To: RC one

-— Sure, I’m a communist for supporting a stable food supply. -—

What we need is a five-year plan, not a one-year plan.


198 posted on 01/21/2016 5:18:55 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: DB
So exactly how much oil to we buy form Saudi Arabia, virtually none.

While I do not disagree with the points you are making on this thread, we still get about a million barrels a day from Saudi and nearly 3 million barrels a day from OPEC.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbblpd_m.htm

199 posted on 01/21/2016 5:19:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gusty

And what really kills me is this is the election we could have won if we’d just stuck together. Voters have had enough of Obama and Clinton. We could have seen what a smaller government constitutionalist could have done and how everyone benefits. But we threw it away for the guy that “can win”.


200 posted on 01/21/2016 5:22:10 AM PST by DB
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