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JUSTIA US Supreme Court ^ | Decided March 28, 1898 | U.S. Supreme Court

Posted on 01/17/2016 3:30:54 PM PST by Walt Griffith

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To: traderrob6
Are those the same nitwits who flipped their lids, wrongly I might add, when Trump made his statement about stopping people from coming here from the Middle East for a while saying it was unconstitutional?

Do you usually let others do your thinking for you or just occasionally?

21 posted on 01/17/2016 3:51:04 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: Cboldt

That’s because it wasn’t part of the case...just a bit of rebuttal.


22 posted on 01/17/2016 3:51:37 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Walt Griffith

Minor vs Happersett is more illuminating on natural born citizen


23 posted on 01/17/2016 3:53:02 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: traderrob6

Ok. So it’s your take, or some other outside take, and should be evaluated vs. some case law or other authority. Thank you.


25 posted on 01/17/2016 3:54:58 PM PST by Cboldt
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Do you have a cite for that paragraph?

Here ya go...

U.S. Citizenship & Naturalization Overview

26 posted on 01/17/2016 3:55:58 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: Walt Griffith

I guess the customs agent picked on the Wong Kim.


27 posted on 01/17/2016 3:56:03 PM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Walt Griffith

Is this to which you are directing our attention:
“The notion that there is any common law principle to naturalize the children born in foreign countries, of native-born American father and mother, father or mother, must be discarded. There is not, and never was, any such common law principle.”


28 posted on 01/17/2016 3:57:19 PM PST by PAR35
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To: traderrob6; Cboldt

The jus sanguinus quote is from alegal article on immigration and naturalization found on the findlaw site and carries no citation or official weight of law as a citation.


29 posted on 01/17/2016 3:57:27 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: philman_36

Nice patronizing pile of crap there my friend but I limit my discussion efforts to people that actually wish to intelligently debate.

Have a nice evening.


30 posted on 01/17/2016 3:57:45 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Cboldt
In part...Children's Citizenship (N-600K)
In addition to the naturalization process, the United States recognizes the U.S. citizenship of individuals according to two fundamental principles: jus soli, or right or birthplace, and jus sanguineous, or right of blood.
31 posted on 01/17/2016 3:59:09 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Thank you.

FWIW, I've studied the case law, and while the paragraph is technically correct, it is grossly misleading, and tends to lead the reader to false conclusions.

32 posted on 01/17/2016 4:00:21 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Walt Griffith

Well, so much for trying to challenge people to read and become informed so a civil discussion can be started.

Some have indicated they have knowledge of the case.

Very sad since it covers common law from China to US law in the late 1800.

The thread should just be pulled.


33 posted on 01/17/2016 4:03:25 PM PST by Walt Griffith
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To: Cboldt

I said no such thing.

But sight me some actual determinate case law and I’ll listen.


34 posted on 01/17/2016 4:04:13 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Cboldt; traderrob6

I would say my replies have answered questions 1 and 3.


35 posted on 01/17/2016 4:04:18 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: traderrob6

Of course, their conclusions are completely at odds with what all of the experts who were alive back then said at the time but keep on with your fantasizing. For example,no less a personage than George Mason, in the Virginia ratifying convention, said that American law is not English common law.


36 posted on 01/17/2016 4:06:07 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: philman_36
Thank you. In notice the use of "naturalization process" in that cite, and the findlaw site. That leads the reader to believe that a person who does not undergo a naturalization process is not naturalized.

If that is so, then a person born of alien parents who are lawful residents of the Virgin Islands, are NBC, in the common vernacular. See 8 USC 1406. No naturalization process, citizens at birth, no citizenship requirement to the parents. Guam is similar, but phrased differently.

All persons born in the island of Guam on or after April 11, 1899 (whether before or after August 1, 1950) subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are declared to be citizens of the United States

37 posted on 01/17/2016 4:06:17 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Mollypitcher1

“BOTH if his parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth”

Are you sure about that.


38 posted on 01/17/2016 4:07:05 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

I understand that you are not the author of that paragraph. I didn’t know until you pointed to a source. I initially said it was either yours or some other outside (of WKA) source.


39 posted on 01/17/2016 4:08:15 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Walt Griffith
The thread should just be pulled.

You need to add "Admin Moderator" in the "To" box.
AFAIK "Walt Griffith" is the wrong person to ask to pull a thread.

Tell Andy Disney hi for me when you see him.

40 posted on 01/17/2016 4:08:59 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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