Posted on 12/18/2015 12:10:46 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
SOP.....
Welcome to the club.
I’ve read them more than carefully. That’s how they act until their numbers grow, and then they aren’t so nice.
Your opinions seem formed by personal interaction alone, and do not seem informed by historic precedent.
What Islam Isn’t
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
The Evil of Whitewashing Islam
https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2014/10/evil-whitewashing-islam/
My views are based on the possibility of change over time. You are thinking statically about the question.
The change over time is that the more the Islamic population grows, as a percentage, over time, the more demanding of adherence to their totalitarian political/legal system they become. And make no mistake about it, it *is* a political system.
There are moslem voices who speak out against the violence, but, 1. the mainstream media often minimize them, and 2. they often live under the threat of violence from those who consider their views akin to apostasy, which 3. discourages moslems who don’t hold murderous views to keep their mouths shut, except when they feel safe that their views won’t be reported back to g he killers.
This is what you miss: the change happens OVER TIME. And it often happens by adding to an older, more moderate population, with a younger, more violent population. The older population might not change much, except that they got old, and after enough tjme, they will die off. Thus IN SPITE of the historic trend, the current population, as it is, may have many innocents.
I am an immigration restrictionist. I would reduce the overall level of immigration, and heavily favor immigration from Western Europe, India, China, Japan, and South Korea. These are highly dynamic societies, and taking a few folks from them sounds like a good idea. But Latin America? The Middle East (with the exception of israel), or africa?? I don’t think so.
But even at the current rates of immigration, it would take roughly 50 years for moslems to become 5% of the population, a percentage where they historically become a general problem. But the adult moslems who are here right now, many of whom are NOT murderers or rapists, will be 70 or 80 or older, or just dead by then. And likely still be that part of the moslem community with the lowest propensity for odeological violence.
Tone, not words Tone!!!!!
Is it tough for you to drive with your head that far up your butt?
That’s an excuse for not having any facts. I write you off as being a complete gasbag on this issue. I guess your union membership is more important than the truth.
Oh, my God. You’re funny. You not only failed critical thinking but I’m pretty sure you flunked out of debate class too.
I will have to write you off as completely uninformed, not a union member, but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good stupid.
And you still did not address the rest of the post, must mean you admit your wrong.
Hmmm... project much?
Which brings me back to the question.
In the US, since Islam is anti-American, what's the point in being a moslem?
People who hold to a faith don’t ask questions like that. Many early American felt that Catholicism was incompatible with being an American. Perhaps a few fell away from the faith, because they felt they needed to, to show that they were good Americans.
But many more forged an explicit way of demonstrating that Catholics could be good, loyal Americans. In fact, we had a priest who created the Knights of Columbus largely for that purpose, setting aside the Fourth Degree of that Order specifically dedicated to the charm of Patriotism, requiring its members to affirm allegiance to the state and, in the US, the American constitution.
Now, only bigots would question our place in America, whether one can truly be Catholic and American.
If moslems whose ideology includes a specific rejection of the use of their texts as rationales for violence against the unbeliever and the sinner wish to find a more comfortable place in American life, they will need to find similar paths reconciling islam to more normative America life.
I read a thread this afternoon about just such a moslem group, founded in the aftermath of the San Bernardino shootings that seeks to do just that, and rejects out of hand the usual CAIR victim narrative, seeking to unapologetically reject ideologically violent islam, without resorting to the regular CAIR excuses for terrorism.
I don’t know what it will accomplish, but I know that there are, right now, many American moslems who would like to hop on board a movement like this. I wish them well.
They were told what it translated to. It was stated on the paper, an image of which is posted on this very thread in post 10.
It really belies your claim that you are not defending islam and the teaching of the same in public schools.
You look like an idiot claiming the kids didn't know when the worksheet TOLD them what it was. But then again, it comes pretty naturally to you.
It will probably get them killed. Moslems kill more moslems than anyone else. Why can't they just do this somewhere else?
While he was at it, why didn't the thieving mohammed plagiarize the Ten Commandments? What is there about islam that makes you a better person?
I'll answer that....Nothing.
If these certain moslems you speak of are such good people, why don't they completely curtail their association with such a bloodthirsty ideology?
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>> People who hold to a faith don't ask questions like that.
OK, then I'll redirect the question:
Since islam seeks to violently overthrow the our government and enslave us, why would the US allow moslems to remain?
Because they can reinterpret there texts in a benign way.
If liberal Christians can interpret the Bible as supporting gay marriage, then pretty much anyone can interpret any text to mean anything.
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