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A mismatch made in defense stock heaven (F-16 versus SU-24)
CNBC ^ | November 24, 2015 | By Jake Novak

Posted on 11/24/2015 2:21:12 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

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1 posted on 11/24/2015 2:21:12 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I think the SU-24 is an old design and was intended more as an attack fighter bomber than an air superiority fighter.


2 posted on 11/24/2015 2:26:25 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Jake here is pretty ignorant about his subject matter. The SU-24s are pure medium bombers like the F-111s, whereas the F-16s are air superiority fighters. Two entirely different roles, so there can be no match between them. However, wait until the SU-27s and SU-30s start escorting the bombers and the F-16s might have a real fight.


3 posted on 11/24/2015 2:27:26 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Strange spinning of the story.


4 posted on 11/24/2015 2:28:27 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: yarddog

Russia didn’t know it was at war with Turkey.


5 posted on 11/24/2015 2:28:53 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: yarddog
It's capabilities are in line with the old F111 of Vietnam days. In fact it looks like a clone.


6 posted on 11/24/2015 2:29:22 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: yarddog

Per Wiki, the SU-24 was first flown in 1966 and introduced into service in ‘74, and is primarily a bomber.

Not state-of-the-art by any means, and certainly not a fighter.
But when was the last time Russian pilots *had* to fight anyone?

Their favorite targets are guys riding mules carrying muzzle-loaders.


7 posted on 11/24/2015 2:30:44 PM PST by Redbob (#BlackCoffeeMatters)
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To: Timber Rattler

I am listening to some interesting CBS spinning of the situation. The Obama controlled media is working hard for him. I think they can’t save him from this mess. Hopefully he doesn’t take us all down with him.


8 posted on 11/24/2015 2:31:10 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Just like the USA lured Albert Einstein from Nazi Germany, The apparently new Russia could draw disgruntled minds from obama’s destruction of America.

Right now, I would vote for Putin over any democrat moron running for President.

Evil has many disguises. We’ll all meet on desolation row ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1HUsJJCzU


9 posted on 11/24/2015 2:32:33 PM PST by soycd
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To: Redbob

I think Russia will step up attacks on the anti-Assad rebels rather than bow to the Obama coalition demands.


10 posted on 11/24/2015 2:32:56 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

An SU-24 is a bomber. It is a F-111ski.
I’d like to see the Turks try this against an SU-27 or its descendents.


11 posted on 11/24/2015 2:33:04 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Timber Rattler

the Russian escort fighters will be of no use when the bombers stay in Syria

The hubris of the Russian commanders got their plane shot down and a helicopter destroyed and several troops dead. They will be more circumspect in the future

The incident was embarrassing for the commanders


12 posted on 11/24/2015 2:33:35 PM PST by Thibodeaux (this time really is different)
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To: Timber Rattler
Jake here is pretty ignorant about his subject matter. The SU-24s are pure medium bombers like the F-111s, whereas the F-16s are air superiority fighters. Two entirely different roles, so there can be no match between them. However, wait until the SU-27s and SU-30s start escorting the bombers and the F-16s might have a real fight.

I would not be surprised if, after this point, the Russians started doing escorts, just waiting for an opportunity to pop any Turkish plane which strays even a millimeter into Syria.

13 posted on 11/24/2015 2:33:47 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Thibodeaux

“The hubris of the Russian commanders got their plane shot down and a helicopter destroyed and several troops dead. They will be more circumspect in the future”

A little melodramatic. We’ve had similar instances in US history.


14 posted on 11/24/2015 2:35:17 PM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Interviews with military that were monitoring the encounter said that Turkey warned the Rusky TEN TIMES OVER 15 MINS that he was violating Turkish airspace. U.S. units monitored the hailing frequency as well and heard it all.

So where does it go from here?


15 posted on 11/24/2015 2:37:29 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

“Hopefully he doesn’t take us all down with him.”.................

The bastard child is doing everything he can to get us into a war with Russia so he can claim the “throne” here in the U.S. and prevent an election altogether, thereby making him “King”..

I will volunteer for the resistance against him should he pull that rabbit out of his hat.


16 posted on 11/24/2015 2:38:23 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: Little Ray
I’d like to see the Turks try this against an SU-27 or its descendents.

My opinion is exactly the opposite of your's. I'd NOT like to see a further escalation.

17 posted on 11/24/2015 2:38:25 PM PST by ASA Vet (Trump is the only candidate since Reagan that I have actually WANTED to vote for.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I would ask, how is Obama involved in the specific flap between Russia and Turkey? Why does the media need to pull his chestnuts from the fire when there are none there?


18 posted on 11/24/2015 2:40:26 PM PST by Thibodeaux (this time really is different)
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To: ASA Vet

Good point.
I’d like to see the matchup from a purely theoretical standpoint.
But I’d like avoid a major shooting war between Western (sort of) powers even more!
In fact, I’d like the US to pack up and LEAVE soonest! We don’t need to be risking American service members helping the scum of the earth like the FSA.


19 posted on 11/24/2015 2:43:26 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: soycd

Well Putin is an autocratic despot who criahes dissent and suppresses freedom. But so is Obama. But at least Putin isn’t racist.


20 posted on 11/24/2015 2:44:57 PM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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