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CBS News: 'Many Hit With Obamacare Sticker Shock
TownHall ^ | Nov 02, 2015 | Guy Benson

Posted on 11/02/2015 3:45:48 PM PST by bob_denard

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To: BlackElk; doug from upland; Karl Spooner

You’re nuts. If you honestly think Romney = Obama, I think we need to have you committed.

As I have said previously, Romney was not my candidate, as I desired a much more conservative guy, but in the general election, he was the only choice we had. Voting for him was not so he could personally benefit, it was in the best interests of this nation. If you didn’t vote for him against Obama, you voted for Obama, and you literally have blood on your hands for all of those babies you claim you want to protect.

If you had the choice between Hitler and a candidate who didn’t have all the ideals that you wanted, would you honestly choose not vote? That’s is effectively what you have done here. Obama is a Hitler without the extermination of Jews (instead it is the genocide of unborn babies) and a continued socialistic system of government, which is now more firmly entrenched, with more Americans being heavily dependent on government and more likely to vote Democrat. Your choice not to vote is no better than the silent, submissive German people who did nothing to get rid of a horrible, evil dictator.

Besides the fact that you’re wrong on the politics, Romney is 10 times the man than Obama can possibly even dream of being. I don’t question Romney’s character, as much as I wish he were more conservative. But Obama’s evil agenda and his blatant defiance against our Constitution was a dangerous threat that had to be stopped.

To comprehend this though, you actually have to understand the concept of good and evil. This is a quality that actually matters in a President. It makes all the difference in the world.


221 posted on 11/02/2015 10:26:57 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

“Romney was not my candidate,”

You voted for him

” as I desired a much more conservative guy, “

If you did you’d have voted for a more conservative guy. Every guy on the ballot not named Romney was more conservative. His record is clear on this matter.

“but in the general election, he was the only choice we had.”

As I pointed out and as ballots in all states show beyond argument, he was not the only choice you had. He was the only choice you chose.

For you to claim he was the only choice is a lie. He was not. The facts are clear.


222 posted on 11/02/2015 10:33:09 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: diamond6

Here. Allow me to refresh your memory

Candidate Ballot Access:

Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan, Republican
Barack Obama/Joseph Biden, Democratic
Gary Johnson/James P. Gray, Libertarian
Jill Stein/Cheri Honkala, Green
Tom Hoefling/Robert Ornelas, Independent
Roseanne Barr/Cindy Sheehan, Peace and Freedom

There’s even a freeper on that ballot you chose willingly to ignore in favor of a radical leftist that you defend three years later.


223 posted on 11/02/2015 10:37:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Still waiting for that great, outstanding candidate you voted for, while your criticizing my choice. Yeah. I can tell your so proud of who you voted for.

What’s the matter? Was there some issues about your fantastic candidate that didn’t meet your ideals, but you voted for him anyway?

Hmmm?

Your such a hypocrite. You made your choice. You sat on the sidelines and voted for Obama. Your act is not fooling any of us.


224 posted on 11/02/2015 10:37:55 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

I wouldn’t hold your breath. You’ll pass out.

But as we see, you arent interested in facts. Are you going to retract your statement about the choices available?


225 posted on 11/02/2015 10:41:07 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Wow. That’s quite a fantastic list!!!

Let me guess. Roseanne Barr?

Did you spit on the ground when you voted for her?

Do you really think the Republican establishment cares that you didn’t vote for the Republican?

All you did was screw this country. Your useless “statement” has had no effect on the party, but it had a devastating effect on our country.


226 posted on 11/02/2015 10:44:27 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

Nope. Not rosanne. Not Mitt. Not Barry.

Are you going to retract the lie that Mitt was the only choice because clearly the facts show he was not the only choice. He was YOUR choice.

Having been caught in such an obvious lie I doubt anything you say is trustworthy.


227 posted on 11/02/2015 10:46:40 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You can’t honestly tell me that was an impressive list.

Really?

You won’t tell us your candidate, because I guarantee you whoever you voted for would have more holes in his credentials, you could drive a Mack truck through it.


228 posted on 11/02/2015 10:47:03 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

I didn’t make the list. Impressive or not it was the list of choices on YOUR ballot.

Are you going to retract the statement you made about not having any other choice because clearly you did have other choices. Or are you going to continue to outright lie on this forum and maintain you had no other choice?


229 posted on 11/02/2015 10:49:52 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The only lie is that your vote was the best thing for this country.


230 posted on 11/02/2015 10:49:53 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yeah. I could have chosen Roseanne Barr!

Are you really that obtuse?


231 posted on 11/02/2015 10:50:55 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

No. you stated clearly that you had no other choice.

I presented the list of people on your own ballot which shows you did in fact have a choice, including a conservative member of this Forum.

The facts in evidence show you did not tell the truth.

Will you retract your statement and admit that you did in fact have another choice as the evidence shows?


232 posted on 11/02/2015 10:53:02 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; BlackElk; Jim Robinson; All

It is quite silly. perhaps delusional, that I am now apparently considered a liberal by a few here. Pretty funny. I joined our founder in reluctantly supporting Romney after he got the nomination in 2012. We knew that the primary voters made a mistake but the next president was going to be Obama or Romney. Most of use thought it was important to do all we could to stop Obama and then plan to do battle with Romney. There were plenty of battles to fight with him.

In another time, I am sure there were those who said we should not be allied with Stalin. But it was clear what had to be done. Hitler had to be stopped first and then we would deal with the Soviets. Fortunately we had a resolute president who won the 1980 election.

Obama is the disaster we knew he would be. Actually, he is even worse than we imagined. Here are the words of our founder, who reluctantly realized what had to be done.

Woo hoo!! Nine more days until we vote Obama’s corrupt Marxist regime OUT!! [FReepathon XXV]
Click here to pledge your support via secure server! ^ | Oct 28, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2012‎ ‎10‎:‎48‎:‎48‎ ‎AM by Jim Robinson

Woo hoo!! Nine more days until we vote Obama’s corrupt Marxist regime OUT!!

And I guess hell has frozen over because as much as I dislike Romney’s prior RINO positions, I have decided to make my anti-Obama vote count in the only way it might actually do some good. I’m marking my absentee ballot today for Romney-Ryan and I’m voting straight Republican down ticket and no on every ballot issue that would raise taxes, spend money or aid big government or help greedy, thieving socialist workers unions.

To hell with Obama! To hell with Governor Moonbeam’s taxes and trains! To hell with gun-grabbing Feinstein! To hell with the godless Democrats and their big spending socialist plans for us, their high speed trains to nowhere, their planned societies, their greedy socialist worker unions, their abortion and homosexual agendas, their class and race warfare and their foodstamp and free birth control utopia!

And to hell with their ridiculous wars against gas, oil, coal, industry, farming, mining, logging, capitalism, Christianity, morality, and against freedom itself.

And I urge all conservatives to do the same regardless of where they live and no matter how blue their state or district. Every vote counts!!

Obama and his corrupt socialist Democrats must be sent packing by the widest margins possible, even in the bluest of blue states.

Vote the corrupt constitution trampling socialist bastards OUT!!

We must retake the presidency, build on our majority in the house and retake the senate. And we must expand the Republican takeover of as many state and local governments as possible. We must fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reestablish control over our totally out of control, runaway federal government!! Scrap all that corrupt, unconstitutional socialist crap and restore local control over local government functions!! And this tenth amendment/states rights/individual freedom movement, er, tea party rebellion must start at the local and state levels and right on up until we boot the corrupt Marxists from EVERY level of government!!

Boot the socialist Democrats who are destroying our economy, destroying our businesses, our jobs, our freedom, our society and our traditional American way of life. If they wish to live in a communist state, they should flee to Cuba!!

Screw them!! America is a free nation. Live it, love it, defend it, or get the hell out!!

Vote them OUT! Run them out! Impeach the corrupt bastards we can’t vote out and boot them OUT!!

God bless America!!


233 posted on 11/02/2015 10:53:55 PM PST by doug from upland (The ultimate in foolishness -- "'Romney is just as bad as Obama" WTF?)
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To: diamond6

I never said any such thing. That is another lie on your part. I said if people would have joined with me and voted conservative that would be, and is the best thing for the country.


234 posted on 11/02/2015 10:55:03 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: doug from upland

Doug, you quoted me fully out of context and lied about it. You did so on another thread.

You are continuing to defend a liberal fully 3 years after his fail.

What part of that is remotely conservative?


235 posted on 11/02/2015 10:57:01 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; doug from upland

Really?

So I’m sure it was for the benefit of this country that you voted for a candidate who is a pro-abort who believes in “a woman’s right to choose up until the point of viability”, is against the death penalty, was in favor of a 43% cut in the defense budget, and believes in a “defensive” as opposed to “offensive” approach to defense?

I’m sure those were all positions you supported, right?


236 posted on 11/02/2015 11:15:30 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You are not just foolish. You are delusional or intellectually dishonest. I have spoken about one election -— the presidency in 2012. I have not spoken in favor of RINOs. I want more principled conservatives to be in the House and Senate. I have never advocated giving power to more RINOs. I am not responsible for McConnell, Boehner, McCain or any of the rest of them. You are dishonest lumping me in with that crowd. It was not my victory that we have RINOs in the Senate and House, yet you somehow blame me for it. You pulled that from your @@@. I vote in California, a state that is lost.

I will say it again, but you will not hear it. I am criticizing people over one election —— keeping Obama in power when we all knew he was determined to destroy the country he grew up hating. That’s it. That is my issue.

Since my days of working for Barry Goldwater while in high school, I have always pushed for principled conservatives.

Listen one more time if you are capable. I neither support nor favor those in the GOP who do not share the basic values of the Tea Party. I am not responsible for any of them. I did not fight you on anything. My one issue is that people who stayed home or voted third party and did not do everything they could to stop the unthinkable evil of Obama are fools. And we are watching the destruction of the country because of it. A protest vote can sometimes be meaningful. Not in the presidential election of 2012.


237 posted on 11/02/2015 11:17:52 PM PST by doug from upland (The ultimate in foolishness -- "'Romney is just as bad as Obama" WTF?)
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To: doug from upland

He’s more intellectually dishonest than you thought. Look at my latest post.


238 posted on 11/02/2015 11:20:47 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: diamond6

I voted for a conservative. It’s that simple.


239 posted on 11/02/2015 11:34:13 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Embrace Existential Cage Theory. Solutions start at home.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You voted for a flawed, so-called “conservative” who had no chance to win, and you know it. I just revealed your cards.

Why don’t you just be honest about it?


240 posted on 11/02/2015 11:38:45 PM PST by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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