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It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response
Zero Hege ^ | 26 Oct 2015 | Tyler

Posted on 10/26/2015 1:46:41 PM PDT by amorphous

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To: amorphous

Well, it already happened.

Last night, the USS Lassen, an Arleigh Burke Flight IIA Destroyer sailed through the 12 mile limit of Subi and Mischief Reefs (both of which have been turned into large artificial islands).

China issued a warning, but there was not ate m,pt to block the Lassen.

That satus quo will hold for a while. Although China has tremendously modernized and increased its fleet...it is not ready to challenge the US directly over such an issue.

Give them another 15 years at the rate they are going...and they very may very well try to do so.

In the mean time, they will be building fortress SCS in anticipation of that happening and we cannot stop that, short of a HUGE investment in the Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam to do the same in terms of reclamation and then building up their new islands. We would have to have Australia, Japan, and India join with us in making that possible.

Of course under this administration, I just do not see us doing that.

Beijing Condems US Naval Patrols in South China Sea
http://www.afr.com/news/world/beijing-condems-us-naval-patrols-in-south-china-sea-20151027-gkjck8

“China’s foreign minister Wang Yi has warned the United States not to create trouble after it was reported the US Navy had started freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea. A senior US defence official briefed journalists that the destroyer USS Lassen had sailed through the 12-nautical mile zones of two islands in the disputed Spratly chain early on Tuesday morning.”


161 posted on 10/27/2015 5:54:09 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Husker24

My guess is that you are correct: Nobama and China are on the same side.


162 posted on 10/27/2015 7:01:30 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: amorphous

Aren’t all these Chinese-stolen and Chinese-expanded islands going to be covered by rising seas?

Are we using our military to threaten Chinese expansion or warn the Chinese of their supposed folly?

It’s not just Obama and his crew saying that Global Warming is the greatest of foreign policy threats, senior Navy officials are saying this also.


163 posted on 10/27/2015 8:32:55 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Talisker

He’s also sending troops into the front lines in Syria and Iraq “to fight Isis.” This is on Drudge now.

We are in a world of hurt if this animal sets us off into multiple wars against China and Russia, given what he has done to our military. And he really does not care.


164 posted on 10/27/2015 8:46:53 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
"We are in a world of hurt if this animal sets us off into multiple wars against China and Russia, given what he has done to our military. And he really does not care."

If it's harmful to the USA, Obama will support and encourage it.

165 posted on 10/27/2015 8:50:16 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: SeeSharp
Yes:

Something like 60% of China’s trade goes through the Malacca Straights and Singapore is hostile to China these days. This is an effort by the Chinese to project power forward to cover their strategic choke point. If Canada were hostile to us we’d be doing something similar in or around the Saint Lawrence. This project won’t matter after China manages to field an effective aircraft carrier. That is, assuming they can actually do so - something the USSR never managed to pull off.

Chinese expansion into south Asian sea lines of communication and commerce is of greatest strategic interest to the United States and global economic well-being. Chinese growth is perhaps our #1 long-term, strategic, foreign policy and national security interest. The United States desires a relatively weak, benign Russia and relatively week, benign China.

The limp-wristed pansy Obama won't necessarily be a limp-wristed pansy on this issue, as Pacific rim politics and China-as-potential-superpower consideration don't touch significantly on Obama's Progressive Left ideological world view. In other words, Obama may approach Chinese expansionism rationally, and not as a liberal moonbat.

At the same time, we need a grown up adult at the helm when poking our finger at the Bear or Dragon. I hope that their are enough grown men left in the Pentagon so that Obama can receive sound military advice. I have my doubts. And who knows what the moonbat liberal mind can conceive when it has carrier battle groups to work with.

166 posted on 10/27/2015 8:53:10 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: SeeSharp
Yes:

Something like 60% of China’s trade goes through the Malacca Straights and Singapore is hostile to China these days. This is an effort by the Chinese to project power forward to cover their strategic choke point. If Canada were hostile to us we’d be doing something similar in or around the Saint Lawrence. This project won’t matter after China manages to field an effective aircraft carrier. That is, assuming they can actually do so - something the USSR never managed to pull off.

Chinese expansion into south Asian sea lines of communication and commerce is of greatest strategic interest to the United States and global economic well-being. Chinese growth is perhaps our #1 long-term, strategic, foreign policy and national security interest. The United States desires a relatively weak, benign Russia and relatively week, benign China.

The limp-wristed pansy Obama won't necessarily be a limp-wristed pansy on this issue, as Pacific rim politics and China-as-potential-superpower consideration don't touch significantly on Obama's Progressive Left ideological world view. In other words, Obama may approach Chinese expansionism rationally, and not as a liberal moonbat.

At the same time, we need a grown up adult at the helm when poking our finger at the Bear or Dragon. I hope that their are enough grown men left in the Pentagon so that Obama can receive sound military advice. I have my doubts. And who knows what the moonbat liberal mind can conceive when it has carrier battle groups to work with.

167 posted on 10/27/2015 8:53:15 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Talisker

“Oh great. Not that it shouldn’t be done, but by Obama...”

If the pattern holds, Obama is doing this so that China can sink the ship and start a war so that he can quickly and easily surrender the US to China.


168 posted on 10/27/2015 10:40:22 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: amorphous
"It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands,..."

Obama didn't send it. Our Defense leaders did. China is trying to get control of ocean routes for military purposes.

But socialist, government-linked, anti-defense political class folks want our nation to lie prostrate and allow their trading partners to build up to attack the U.S.A. Why? Because..."Obama" (red herring) ...and because, foreign trade, and continuing the debt regime that they get their phony revenues (debt) from.

Stop the big government spending. Turn out the lights in your useless offices, and lock the doors on the way out. Get real jobs.


169 posted on 10/27/2015 3:31:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: amorphous
"It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands,..."

Obama didn't send it. Our Defense leaders did. China is trying to get control of ocean routes for military purposes.

But socialist, government-linked, anti-defense political class folks want our nation to lie prostrate and allow their trading partners to build up to attack the U.S.A. Why? Because..."Obama" (red herring) ...and because, foreign trade, and continuing the debt regime that they get their phony revenues (debt) from.

Stop the big government spending. Turn out the lights in your useless offices, and lock the doors on the way out. Get real jobs.


170 posted on 10/27/2015 3:34:02 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: Resolute Conservative

And own a lot of Detroit too.

Han is a very pretty language. I guess it won’t be too bad after Obama hands us over to China.


171 posted on 10/29/2015 3:56:35 PM PDT by MarMema
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