Posted on 10/23/2015 8:31:54 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
I answered your question. The only way she would have had it and spread it is if she had exhibited symptoms, and then continued to defy the quarantine. And if she had done that, then of course I would be criticizing her.
“The only way she would have had it and spread it is if she had exhibited symptoms,”
That has not been shown to be fact, so no you did NOT answer the question.
http://throb.gizmodo.com/turns-out-the-ebola-virus-can-be-sexually-transmitted-1737730480
No symptoms exhibited, spread it anyway.
Actually, nurse Hickox moved from Maine to Oregon.
When she came back from Africa, she flew to Liberty Int’l Airport in Newark. That entry point was where Christie wanted to quarantine her, because she had just returned from an Ebola affected area of west Africa.
She bolted and made her way back to her (then) home state of Maine.
Quarantines are based on risk to the public, not risk to her boyfriend, so the sexual transmission is irrelevant. But, fine:
The only way she would have had it and spread it is if (1) she had exhibited symptoms, and then continued to defy the quarantine; or (2) if she had ebola, with a low viral load, and had unprotected sex with her boyfriend, transmitting it to him. And if she had done that, then of course I would be criticizing her.
And, in any event, that's wrong. The guy who spread it was a survivor - he had previously exhibited symptoms (meaning that his viral load had become elevated enough to transmit in his bodily fluids, including his semen). The virus remained in his semen AFTER he no longer exhibited symptoms, but that is not evidence that it can be spread BEFORE symptoms arise.
“Quarantines are based on risk to the public, not risk to her boyfriend, so the sexual transmission is irrelevant. But, fine:”
“ (1) she had exhibited symptoms, and then continued to defy the quarantine; “
http://throb.gizmodo.com/turns-out-the-ebola-virus-can-be-sexually-transmitted-1737730480
NO SYMPTOMS, SPREAD IT ANYWAY.
Ebola is present in ALL body fluids, sweat, tears, nasal discharge, urine, sexual fluids, etc.
People can and have gotten ebola from touching linens that were contacted by ebola victims.
Is any of that getting through to you?
“And, in any event, that’s wrong.”
No, you keep claiming: “. Ebola cannot be spread prior to the onset of those symptoms. “ and that it cannot be spread without showing symptoms.
THAT guy wasn’t showing any.
He was “cleared”.
You are being disingenuous. You skipped the second part of my response, which directly addresses the sexual transmission angle that you are pushing so hard. It is present in all bodily fluids when the victim is exhibiting symptoms. It stays in some fluids (notably, semen) for some time after symptoms end. But:
1) There is NO evidence that it remains in OTHER bodily fluids after symptoms dissipate.; and
2) There is NO evidence that it can be contracted BEFORE symptoms appear.
That guy spread it AFTER showing symptoms and AFTER being cured. Because it remains in SOME fluids for a period of time after the victim recovers.
But that does not mean that it can be spread BEFORE showing symptoms, or through OTHER fluids once symptoms dissipate.
Do you have any evidence that it can be spread through the blood, sweat, saliva, etc. of someone who is not showing symptoms?
“You are being disingenuous.”
No, I am not.
You keep claiming that it cannot be spread without symptoms.
I showed you just such an instance, and you keep saying it is irrelevant.
You are being disingenuous.
Also, spreading information that is not correct.
You are pointing to a very narrow exception to the general rule that it can’t be spread without symptoms. The exception is that AFTER recovery, it remains in sexual fluids for some time. You are pointing to that exception to suggest that it can be spread without symptoms generally, and to imply that it can be spread BEFORE symptoms appear.
I keep asking you to show me ANY evidence that it can be spread in other fluids without symptoms, or that it can be spread BEFORE (as opposed to AFTER) symptoms arise. You have failed to respond.
I do agree that government has the right to quarantine someone who has been in a outbreak area among the very ill as a measure of ensuring the safety of others, but that requires strict monitoring and release the minute it is proven the disease is not in the quarantined.
However, to say she doesn't give a crap about others???!!!
Where were YOU when thousands of poor Africans were dying? Have the children who died not deserved a warm (although completely gloved and protected) hand and a smile from someone, perhaps a doctor or nurse? In God's eyes, she did far more than you or I.
Still, I think she should lose her suit. The government has a responsibility to protect the rest of us, first, and then see to her rights. She was not beaten, tortured, but only held against her will until it was determined she wasn't diseased and would be no harm to others.
Still, I must, as a Christian, admire any of these doctors or nurses who went to help.
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
“You are pointing to a very narrow exception to the general rule “
I am pointing to a rather serious flaw in your argument.
But continue to hold on to your fantasy.
Will you host the next round of people exposed to ebola in your house?
If not, why not?
I agree completely, we weren’t too crazy about her being in our state. We should have put her on one of our many uninhabited islands.
I hear that Plum Island is available in NY.
Yes, we have thousands of them.
So, I take it you are not going to answer my questions?
1) Any evidence of asymptomatic transmission by any means other than sexual transmission? In any other fluids?
2) Any evidence of pre-symptomatic transmission, by any means?
I gave you the link for your first “question”, not my fault you can’t follow it.
And the other link about lack of a fever was a couple posts back.
Happy hunting.
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