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1 posted on 09/04/2015 4:15:38 PM PDT by yongin
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Kim Davis’s stance, while it may be personally courageous, is going to result in another defeat

How can it end in defeat? She is doing as her faith leads her to do. That's never a defeat or a loss. Perhaps others will feel inspired to follow their faith more closely, that's not a loss. She is fighting battles bigger than what is seen.

43 posted on 09/04/2015 5:10:34 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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Here it is: proof that illegal immigration is the winning issue!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/04/poll-majority-of-californians-oppose-sanctuary-city-policies/


44 posted on 09/04/2015 5:14:14 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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Yeah, this is my hill.

Because if America is destined to be a completely deviant, pervert nation, promoting its evil around the world (as Obama is already doing with his homo-centric agenda, not to mention our own putrid, depraved pop-culture), I’m more than comfortable in seeing the country completely ripped apart and die in flames.


47 posted on 09/04/2015 5:15:59 PM PDT by greene66
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I have said for many years that the greatest enemies of social conservatives are liberal Republicans. If you are not willing to fight with us on this, then you are no better than a liberal Republican. And don’t expect us to come running when you need help on your favorite issues. You are either for us or you are against us.


54 posted on 09/04/2015 5:23:17 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Conservative 2016!! The Dole, H.W. Bush, McCain, Romney experiment has failed.)
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Right now people can decide where the line is for themselves. It will probably come to apoint where many identify the samme line and begin assisting one another directly.


55 posted on 09/04/2015 5:23:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Send dat Boy, Dred Scott, right back home to hiz massah, cuz it’s d’ LAW of d’ Land!


59 posted on 09/04/2015 5:31:53 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("When the left wins, they're in power; when the right wins, they're in office." - Mark Steyn)
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Has Dreher gone over to the dark side?

I know he is a mess because he was abused by priests when he was young.

But this?


61 posted on 09/04/2015 5:40:28 PM PDT by miserare ( RIP Officer Henry Nelson, RIP Deputy Darren Goforth; RIP Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz)
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Kim Davis’s position is unwinnable.

Wars are won by many small victories.
It is actually a victory that she was put in jail.
That is the sort of thing that can finally wake up some Americans that have not been paying enough attention.


65 posted on 09/04/2015 5:43:33 PM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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I disagree. The gay marriage imbroglio is of immense importance. It will define our Republican form of government. The federal government has no jurisdiction with respect to marriage. This is brought strikingly clear in the Davis case. Clerk Kim Davis has undressed the district court judge and he knows it. While he can assume the role of a tyrant and illegally throw her in jail or fine her, he can not issue a legitimate marriage certificate, he knows it, and therein is his dilemma. Only states have legal jurisdiction with respect to marriage matters. Clerk Davis is the duly elected clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky and derives her authority from the citizens of Rowan Country. She remains the Clerk and the tyrant judge can not remove her from office, and he can not order her under duress to issue lawful marriage certificates. Furthermore, none of her underlings can do so either, since she has not authorized them to do so. Thus, the marriage certificates that are being issued now without her authority are null and void. I would conclude that the Davis case is where the federal government finally runs into the brick wall of federalism. Accordingly, this case has historic proportions not only on religious grounds but on state rights grounds.


67 posted on 09/04/2015 5:45:38 PM PDT by iontheball
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bump


81 posted on 09/04/2015 6:28:28 PM PDT by foreverfree
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The guy who wrote this is as cowardly as jeb.


93 posted on 09/04/2015 7:03:28 PM PDT by Vision Thing ("Community Organizer" is a shorter way of saying "Commie Unity Organizer".)
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refuse to carry out lawful decisions of the courts

Except that they are not lawful decisions.

there can be no doubt that as a matter of legal procedure, the Supreme Court’s decision is the law

Of course it's not the law. The law is what was passed by the Kentucky General Assembly and signed by the Governor, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, as amended. The law is also what was passed by Congress and signed by the President (The Defense of Marriage Act).

Those are the laws. A decision such as Obergefell vs. Hodges is entirely lawless, lacking both jurisdiction and authority, and it should be ignored by ANY official sworn to uphold the law and the Constitution.

That the Lord has chosen the imperfect vessel named Kim Davis - well, that IS how He works, isn't it?

104 posted on 09/04/2015 7:13:40 PM PDT by Jim Noble (You walk into the room like a camel and then you frown)
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The catholic church will remain silent as usual. There won’t be any homilies about this. No prayers for her from the faithful.... and I am a catholic.


116 posted on 09/04/2015 7:48:30 PM PDT by Phillyred
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If they put all of the Christians in jail there won’t be anyone working and paying taxes to fund their government.


132 posted on 09/04/2015 8:28:36 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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1. Kim Davis’s position is unwinnable. Nobody seriously expects her to get gay marriage overturned, or even to succeed in carving out a special zone of protection for public officials who, for reasons of conscience, refuse to carry out lawful decisions of the courts. Even if we believe that the Obergefell decision lacks moral legitimacy, there can be no doubt that as a matter of legal procedure, the Supreme Court’s decision is the law. Our side lost that battle decisively. Kim Davis’s stance, while it may be personally courageous, is going to result in another defeat, because it cannot be otherwise in our system. The only point of backing it is to flip the bird to the state and to the broader culture — something I have great sympathy for, but it’s a pointless gesture that can only hurt us in the battles to come.

This is how we have become what we have become - if one cannot win a war with a single battle, then don't fight the battle.

What does the author think will get used up in the battles that lead to eventual victory - can't run out of bullets or ideas but if we don't fight the battles there will be so much "precedence" that future battle will be rendered irrelevant and bullets will be the only thing left.

Kind of like a Star Trek soldier with atomic-powered laser weapons crying out "Keep your powder dry and don't fire until the enemy lays down and surrenders".

215 posted on 09/05/2015 3:39:59 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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The political danger here is that when the public hears “religious liberty,” they will think about Kim Davis and her special pleading for a right that, if it existed, would mean anarchy."

The result would be chaos.. Not anarchy. Anarchy would be the elimination of government officials.

222 posted on 09/05/2015 8:34:27 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to skip this tag line.)
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Rod Dreher is pathetic with this stream man argument, with a false choice. No one is proposing we die on this Hill. We should, however, stand firm with Kim Davis. There are many battles to be fought to win a war. No need to surrender preemptively on any of them.


224 posted on 09/07/2015 6:03:38 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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