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Will the real conservatives wake up?
WaPO ^ | August 27, 2015 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 08/29/2015 2:15:27 PM PDT by yongin

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To: yongin

Rubin is an obamaRepublican but even they are right sometimes and Trump has some serious issues that needs to be looked over.

Ask yourself why a businessman with businesses in foreign countries wants to penalize another business for doing what he does???? Does this seem right?? Is Trump selling all his foreign businesses and moving them to the US???


41 posted on 08/29/2015 5:24:16 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: yongin

“The strength of the U.S. economy has historically been our free markets...


This is much like the lie that our strength lies in our diversity.


42 posted on 08/29/2015 7:36:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: LS

They are probably representing foreign governments and making big bucks doing it.


43 posted on 08/29/2015 7:39:27 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Not when they can buy American oil for $38.


44 posted on 08/29/2015 7:58:50 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
A $50 a barrel tax on oil, for example, isn't a tax on American citizens?

Not when they can buy American oil for $38.

American oil stays at $38 after foreign oil gets hit with a $50 tariff?

45 posted on 08/29/2015 8:32:22 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Since God decided where to put the oil ( under the middle east of all places ), I do not think putting a tariff on oil is a good idea. Tariffs should be reserved for MANUFACTURED goods only and not raw materials.

You keep bringing up oil like it is the same and manufactured goods. Why is that?

46 posted on 08/29/2015 8:38:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: yongin
“The strength of the U.S. economy has historically been our free markets.

Well that's a lie...The strength of this country was its manufacturing and tax base...And its ability to quickly switch from domestic manufacturing to military manufacturing...

We don't have too many free markets...We are restricted from shipping out far more that we receive...China has become the world's manufacturer and the entire free world is suffering and paying the price for it...

“Instead of lowering corporate taxes, cutting unnecessary regulations, and fostering a more profitable environment in the U.S

And there's another lie...Trump has proposed both of those things along with reducing or eliminating the capital gains tax...

But then what should we expect from a New World Order organization...

47 posted on 08/29/2015 8:40:31 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: central_va
You keep bringing up oil like it is the same and manufactured goods

It's easier to show the idiocy of the claim that tariffs won't raise prices of American products with the example of oil.

If we put a $10,000 tariff on imported autos, will you claim that US produced autos would not increase in price?

48 posted on 08/29/2015 8:44:09 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: yongin
For years, Rubin has been lecturing conservatives to stop with the purity tests. Rubin says gay marriage and illegal immigration are good for America.

Now Rubin is demanding conservative purity test for Trump

Sounds more like Rubin needs an agenda purity test - false meme with the taxes on car companies. How about you submit to a purity test while we're at it:

Which candidate do you contribute to?

How often do you contribute to FR?

What are you doing to become a positive part of the solution instead of just being a negative Nelly who pays lip service but does nothing positive or substantial for any cause?

Answer the questions satisfactorily and you get respect and attention -else, you get a few remarks and nobody pays any real attention.

49 posted on 08/30/2015 4:13:53 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: yongin
“Instead of lowering corporate taxes, cutting unnecessary regulations, and fostering a more profitable environment in the U.S., as some Republican candidates have proposed, Trump wants to unilaterally threaten a major U.S. manufacturer with higher taxes.

Why is it "instead"? Why not protectionism and lower taxes, cut unnecessary regulations, and foster a more profitable environment in the U.S. Why is it either-or?

It sounds like justification and excuses for off shoring, corps want any excuse to sellout.

50 posted on 08/30/2015 4:18:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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you are just wrong........ it is not 1780

Yes, yo are right the situation is worse. We need borders and protection NOW!

51 posted on 08/30/2015 4:20:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If we put a $10,000 tariff on imported autos, will you claim that US produced autos would not increase in price?

The price that the US consumer pays is irrelevant to the Free Traitor™. This has been explained to me many times by many a Free Traitor™ on Free Republic.

Free Traitor™ speak: A corporation owes its allegiance and exists only to maximize profits for it's share holders ( at least public companies). So if a tariff allows them( a domestic producer) to charge more for their product and they don't lose market share to one of it's domestic competitors and demand stays the same then a corporation benefits from the tariff. Free Traitors™ should be happy with tariffs.

52 posted on 08/30/2015 4:33:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: yongin

Rubin is “severely conservative”, like Willard.


53 posted on 08/30/2015 4:37:27 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'll vote for Jeb when Terri Schiavo endorses him.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Nobody is contemplating a 125% tariff on oil except you.


54 posted on 08/30/2015 9:03:58 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: central_va
The price a US consumer pays is not irrelevant to me.

So if a tariff allows them( a domestic producer) to charge more for their product and they don't lose market share to one of it's domestic competitors and demand stays the same then a corporation benefits from the tariff.

You've stumbled onto the truth. Tariffs benefit favored domestic producers and benefit government while harming US consumers.

55 posted on 08/30/2015 9:28:16 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: DannyTN
Nobody is contemplating a 125% tariff on oil except you.

One of you morons once recommended a 100% tariff.

Was the logic too difficult for you to follow?

Try again.

A $20 a barrel tax on oil, for example, isn't a tax on American citizens?

Is that easier for you to follow?

56 posted on 08/30/2015 9:30:52 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Nobody is contemplating a 50% tariff on oil except you.


57 posted on 08/30/2015 9:32:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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I didn't say anybody was, but why is the logic beyond you?

What do you wish to place a new or higher tariff on and why would that not increase the price of the same US produced product?

Unless you've never taken an Econ class?

58 posted on 08/30/2015 9:41:18 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I’ve taken graduate level economics courses. The problem we have is too many people have learned about comparative advantage but they don’t remember the exceptions to the argument for trade that are usually taught with them.

A tariff won’t increase the price of the US produced product if the U.S. produces enough to meet the US need, and if there is competition within the US market.

If the U.S. can’t produce enough to meet the need, then prices will rise causing more US product to meet the demand. If necessary it will rise up to the tariffed price.

What Trump has thrown around is a 25 to 30% Tariff. And he hasn’t mentioned tariffing oil at all. But if he did, we are talking about less than $10 a barrel.

Imports are equal to 16% of our GNP. So if you tariffed all imports at 25%, The worst case is that you’d see a one time inflation of about 3.4%. (.25 Tariff * 16% Imports)/ (16% IMPORTS + 100% GNP).


59 posted on 08/30/2015 9:52:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: yongin

Trump says NAFTA is a disaster, not as an idea, but because of poorly designed agreements, poorly negotiated. His point is that it is not “free” trade. Jennifer is not being completely truthful.


60 posted on 08/30/2015 9:55:51 AM PDT by Chaguito
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