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Lotteries, payday lending, and the swindling of America’s poor
WaPo ^ | 07-09-2015 | Michael Gerson

Posted on 07/10/2015 3:02:37 PM PDT by NRx

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To: Smokin' Joe

OK but to me it is a moral issue when gvmnt runs a gambling house and are subject to the same immoral ways to increase profit. YMMV


41 posted on 07/10/2015 4:15:13 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

At least they are actually running this in the black, unlike the Mustang Ranch...


42 posted on 07/10/2015 4:20:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: glorgau

I pay $1 for a lottery ticket and can dream of what I’d do with $60,000,000. Seems to me I already got my monies worth.

Since I’m going to lose anyway, I never buy more than 1 ticket. I don’t even buy them every week. Since I don’t check if I won right away I can keep up the hope past the drawing.


43 posted on 07/10/2015 4:58:22 PM PDT by conejo99
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To: bkepley

I will admit that I’ve bought lottery tickets. It’s kind of nice to spend $10 and then sit back and wonder just exactly how I’m gonna spend that $300 million. ;-)

Sort of like going to see a movie.


44 posted on 07/10/2015 5:01:42 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

Back in the 90”s, my neighbor won 13 Million on a $5
quick pick. That was when you had to spread in out over
20 years.


45 posted on 07/10/2015 5:35:16 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: NRx
In that portion of the presidential field that does not view self-government as a stage for self-promotion, prejudice and blithering ignorance...

What?

I count the whole article as a bit of self-righteous preening.

If someone, even a poor someone, spends 5 bucks on the lotto, its not this guy's job to try and tell him he can't. The whole article reeks of the writer's contempt for people, really.

As for a payday loan, obviously it can be abused, but it is an option that people use from time to time. The people who offer the service do it voluntarily, and the people who use it likewise do so voluntarily. If you are in a temporary jam, its an option to get you through.

What the writer can't abide is people doing what they do without his permission.

46 posted on 07/10/2015 5:35:20 PM PDT by marron
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To: NRx

I worked in a Pittsburgh area Stop N Go store many moons ago when I was in college. You could always tell when welfare checks were distributed - there would be a line at the door waiting for lottery tickets.


47 posted on 07/10/2015 5:52:37 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: NRx

And the other half of the equation, what do they do with the lottery money? In many communities, they do things like build bicycle trails. Those are used by the upper middle class and lilly whites, not the poor. They enhance the real estate values of the upper class homes they are located near. So these lotteries are a tax on the poor to give luxury items to the rich.


48 posted on 07/10/2015 6:08:03 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: agrarianlady
Agree.

Rent is due in ten days, and the car breaks down today.
Living paycheck to paycheck, there is often too much month at the end of the money.It all falls apart for the lack of $300.00, right now!

Whether you have no credit or bad credit, no bank is ever going to give you a small loan, short or long term, that allows you to plow anything into savings.Not worth their time, and also counterproductive. They would prefer that you bounce checks, and pay their fees.

A payday lender charges an upfront fee of 10% and $1.00, and will stretch that repayment out for three weeks.Problem solved.

So...rent gets paid on time, absent the $5 - $75 a day late fee.(yes-that is the legal lease penalty rate spread-read the fine print)
Car gets repaired, avoiding the loss of income due to missing hours.
No checking account or late “fees” that are even more punitive. No possibility of police/government “criminal” involvement.

A single “insufficient funds” checking account charge would be a minimum of $32.00.

So...using the payday lender saves $1.00 in banking fees, and allows you to not fall any deeper in debt.

Sue me if I waste the $1.00 on a lotto ticket!

It's a frickin bargain!

49 posted on 07/10/2015 6:12:07 PM PDT by sarasmom ( I did not sacrifice the most productive years of my life to make it easy for idiots to live.)
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To: Impy; bkepley; GOPsterinMA
RE:”Yeah you’re right, it’s them scratch offs, idiot dem voters seem to think they are super fun and waste a lot of money on them. I saw this guy once, he bought more than he could friggin carry! Probably scratched them all off in the parking lot right after he got them. That’s a far cry from a buck or two a week for a tiny chance to win a jackpot.”

Whenever I bump into them buying those tickets in the store I challenge them to bet against my bet that the winner wont have bought his ticket from that store.

The odds are very low even for an individual store.

50 posted on 07/10/2015 9:32:59 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: agrarianlady
I am really hesitant to jump on the anti-payday loan bandwagon.

They will either go there, or go to Vito.

51 posted on 07/11/2015 8:30:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Impy

Like we’ve discussed, Economics classes should be mandatory.


52 posted on 07/11/2015 8:54:14 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: erlayman

“Payday loans are criminal usury and are illegal in several states (as they should be...”

Most people have no clue just HOW usurious payday loans really are. I checked out a couple a few years ago when I thought I was desperate for a short-term loan. The signs tout an interest rate that seemed high but reasonable considering their clientele. However, by law in that state, they were required to show the annual percentage rate. There was in very fine print: 552%! I decided I wasn’t really that needy.

There were a few people in the place doing “roll-overs”, just paying interest. The loan place is more than happy to allow this to go on forever, if possible. The borrower doesn’t have to cough up the principal, and just forks over what seems like a piddling sum comparatively. Eventually this becomes like an economic slavery to the lender. And some, the more trustworthy, are allowed to pay interest-only on more than one loan.

Payday loan places should be illegal, and usury should be prosecuted as the crime it is.


53 posted on 07/13/2015 6:32:24 AM PDT by Gideon300
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To: glorgau
Lotteries are a tax on the innumerate. Always have been.

My boss once told me that. I replied that at 200 million to one the odds were infinitely better than getting rich working for him.

54 posted on 07/13/2015 6:36:04 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Mears

bfl


55 posted on 07/13/2015 6:48:49 AM PDT by Mears
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