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Why America needs to reject the Charleston massacre’s dangerous narrative of forgiveness
Salon ^ | June 27, 2015 | Ericka Schiche

Posted on 06/27/2015 11:54:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Forgiveness is a biblical principle, of course leftists reject it.


41 posted on 06/28/2015 4:36:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (2 more shopping days 'til, Graybeard 58's b/day! The BIG seven ohhhh.)
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To: Graybeard58

Only the victims can forgive, and they are dead; these relatives can’t speak for them.


42 posted on 06/28/2015 4:45:21 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The thread which I was originally responding to was pulled, so I'll just repost the response I had written to this thread. It's rambling and stream of consciousness, but I've never seen anything like it in my 50 years of existence in this country and on this Earth.

Are Americans finally succumbing en masse to collectivist propaganda? Is the magnificent and unique American mind finally dissolving, and Americans finally mutating into sheep-like Europeans who are incapable of independent though outside of the Marxist paradigm? As I said, I've never seen the like:

We're living through the midst of mass hysteria. Politically Correct collectivist Tyranny is on display in its most breathtaking extremes.

People, companies, and institutions are vying with each other to see who can be the most conformist agents of the politically correct state.

This behavior is worthy of the most profound authoritarian collectivist regimes, and the vast majority of People are snapping quickly into line.

The level of political submissiveness and the complete lack of independent and critical thought is absolutely incredible, and should be studied and cited as an illustrative example of societal delusion and mob behavior.

The impulse which is driving this phenomenon is exactly the reason that pure democracy is to be feared and abhorred. This is precisely the type of thing that led to Jews being rounded up and murdered en masse during WWII.

It's really something to sit back and observe. The vast majority of the People appear to have been thoroughly conditioned, and are ready to embrace socialist Tyranny in all its oppressive and murderous facets.

We should expect to see more and more efforts for the totalitarians to seize control, but, as is their wont, they are likely to severely overplay their hand, and when they do, the backlash is going to be overwhelming!

I think that 2016 is going to be very interesting election cycle. The very existence of the Republic likely hangs in the balance, and who the GOP nominates is going to play a critical role in the outcome, because if they end up with some globalist insider, then the two-faced, one party system will become totally ascendant, and the tribulation of true Patriots will begin in earnest.

This is some wild stuff. We are living in very interesting times.

43 posted on 06/28/2015 4:50:45 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WOW>> Salon really, really hates Jesus Christ!


44 posted on 06/28/2015 4:55:26 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: sickoflibs
Its the classic "Pay-Me-I'm-A-Victim" scam. This is all calculated.

The cunning Clintons showed how to get filthy rich using "tolerance and compassion." Obama labeling groups "victims" triggers billions in federal payouts.

All of the federal largesse must be seen against the back-drop of Obama and the wife gearing-up for the big Foundation payday.

Groups and countries w/ big bucks give humongous honoraria, astounding donations, a cut of their natural resources, business interests, etc etc etc.

The key reason why Obama looks on benignly.... as ISIS and global ISLAM blow up everything in sight, Putin and China do what they please, and so on.

First Clinton rule is to never e-v-e-r utter a discouraging word e-v-e-r...... no matter how savage the behavior.

45 posted on 06/28/2015 5:00:04 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Lefitists can never forgive. Leftists must kill when they can.


46 posted on 06/28/2015 5:00:12 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: sargon
".... We're living through the midst of mass hysteria. Politically Correct collectivist Tyranny is on display in its most breathtaking extremes.

People, companies, and institutions are vying with each other to see who can be the most conformist agents of the politically correct state.

This behavior is worthy of the most profound authoritarian collectivist regimes, and the vast majority of People are snapping quickly into line.

The level of political submissiveness and the complete lack of independent and critical thought is absolutely incredible, and should be studied and cited as an illustrative example of societal delusion and mob behavior...."

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The Sixties spawned "peace, love and understanding" and with it anti-American academics who took over and built Big Education and the think tanks -- who produce the "studies" that have pushed and built Big Government, that have "informed" Social behavior, lowered, dumbed down and used public education to indoctrinate, and caused the "hat in hand" lemming behavior of business.

Check this out. This is what Walker is moving against.

Wisconsin Idea

47 posted on 06/28/2015 5:02:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Qiviut

“The truth is, President Obama needs to bring the hammer down “

Since the scotus ruling more than one FReeper has opined that “in ten years time...” and I am stunned that there could possibly be people on a forum like this one who think the Left at this point is going to wait ten years to do anything. THIS is their moment THIS is the time. They WILL NOT let it pass.


48 posted on 06/28/2015 5:09:41 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe if we all forgive Erika, her head will explode. Bless her heart.


49 posted on 06/28/2015 5:33:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TalBlack

They’ll never have a better opportunity than with Obama the Destroyer in office, so no ... they won’t wait.


50 posted on 06/28/2015 5:34:33 AM PDT by Qiviut (Stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the cross; lift high his royal banner, it must not suffer loss)
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To: rktman

I think your post is dead on the money. Oh, and your tagline, my response is ME TOO!


51 posted on 06/28/2015 5:42:17 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Reno89519

“I’ve always figured that if you cannot substitute White then the group is inappropriate. I think this is still very importantly valid.”

Too simple for many people to understand. It is amazing how some can think that National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is a fine name even though many of the members would call a white person racist for referring to them as “Colored People”. On the other hand any organization promoting the advancement of White People will be branded racist by those same “Colored People”. It is beyond satire.

We have a president who claims to be black even though the woman he says bore him was as white as any on the Earth, he must have been elected by WHITE people because only about an eighth of the population identifies as black, a black person is something like eighty percent more likely to have a job in government than a white person and some of the richest and most influential people in this country are black and yet we continue to hear the FICTION that there is oppression of black people in America. I think there are a lot of people on this Earth who would like very much to be so oppressed.


52 posted on 06/28/2015 6:01:35 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Yaelle

Some still preach the fantasy that South Carolina is the most racist state in the nation, I suppose they think it has to be because this is where secession began, they may know about or have seen the old slave market at Charleston so they think Charleston must be a bastion of white racism. Strangely enough if you go there you dont’ see all that racism.


53 posted on 06/28/2015 6:06:26 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
I don't forgive anyone at Salon in particular, or media shills in general.

54 posted on 06/28/2015 6:08:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: sargon

The time to fight is now.

Public opinion is quickly turning away from freedom, personal liberty, and the rule of law. Soon we will be a despised minority.

Heck, white people are a now almost a minority in America when you count the true numbers of illegals.

I never thought I’d say this but bring on the CW2.


55 posted on 06/28/2015 6:16:34 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan ('Zionists crept into my home and stole my shoe' - Headline)
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To: rktman

The reason why rioting and looting didn’t erupt in Charleston is because the city is mostly white, and the whites are armed.


56 posted on 06/28/2015 7:01:04 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ericka, pay attention to this, carefully: I do not care about the grievances promoted by the left. I don’t give a damn.


57 posted on 06/28/2015 7:03:28 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: sickoflibs

White & conservative (or black conservative), SHUT UP!

Men, SHUT UP!

Christian, SHUT UP!

Heterosexual, SHUT UP!

American citizen, SHUT UP!

You forgot one other one:

Own a gun, SHUT UP!

Apparently we have no say. No counter argument is tolerated by the left.

Lucky for us the house and senate are controlled by the republi................... Oh, never mind.


58 posted on 06/28/2015 7:11:41 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The most fundamental commitment of the left since the time it got that name from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly has been hatred of the Gospel.

Of course forgiveness is dangerous to the left. It is part of the way Christian society has operated without the guiding hand of an omnicompentent state regulating minutely all human relations, the very way of life the left has always wanted to uproot and replace with the mirage of the shining future when everyone is happy under the beneficent omnicompetent secular state.


59 posted on 06/28/2015 7:15:41 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: RipSawyer

Post #56 may have some validity to it as well. But, the Christian aspect is certainly in play. We lived in “the south” for over 40 years and there is a different mind set. Had this happened in Atlanta, all bets would be off. Stories I could tell. :>}


60 posted on 06/28/2015 7:17:23 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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