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1 posted on 06/20/2015 12:35:53 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat; Alamo-Girl; caww; marron; YHAOS; hosepipe; MHGinTN; xzins; metmom; Elsie
The flag of my home state of Mississippi contains the Confederate Battle Flag as part of it, and I’m deeply conflicted about that.

And yet the cross of the Confederate flag emblazons the Cross of St. Andrew, on which a true Christian martyr was crucified. It also emblazons the nation flag of Scotland to this day....

92 posted on 06/20/2015 2:56:34 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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[Article] The abolitionists were right—and they were right not because they were on the right side of history but because they were on the right side of God.

Actually, not so much.

This argument is an appeal to force, fully formed. War => Victory = Righteousness.

The Abolitionists just said they were right, and as against their adversaries, they couldn't make their argument from exegesis, so they just said they were right, and pounded their interlocutors first with abuse and obloquy, and then with appeals to the sword.

William Wilberforce persuaded the British Parliament to pass a bill abolishing slavery, in a country where it wasn't that common. As a manufacturing practice, slavery is distinctly unhelpful to people trying to earn a wage and a move-up job; but the United States didn't abolish slavery for that reason, but because the war was the thing, not just to abolish slavery but to rewrite the Constitution and remove so many obstacles to the achievement of wealth beyond the dreams of avarice.

It's also worth noticing that many other countries followed England's example without a civil war.

I'm glad slavery is no longer current (but watch out for imports from countries that are again practicing slavery and debt bondage), since pay for work is fairer and more beneficial to the society at large; it would be hard to persuade young people in a society where slavery is common, that hard work is virtuous in and of itself and will be rewarded in the end. Slavery in the end, like "welfare", is a drag on the drive and virtuousness of young working people.

104 posted on 06/20/2015 3:46:34 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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This flag business is an odd thing.

People claim its heritage, but the simple fact is that these flags that show or incorporate the Confederate battle flag have only been formally accepted quite recently. Certainly post the civil war anyway. The surprising thing is that, in spite of all the talk of state sovereignty, only two States had their own flag in 1861. The others had to scramble to design flags. Some (like North Carolina) did an excellent job and issued many examples to their troops. Others (like Tennessee) didnt bother. Some (like Florida) produced totally impractical designs that were almost certainly never used; and some (like Georgia) were never able to settle on one design.

In any case, the famous saltire style Confederate battle flag was actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. It was rarely used outside of the Eastern Theater of operations during the war.

IOW if the author has a problem with the current mississippi flag, and yet still wants to honor his heritage, I would suggest he uses the State Flag(s) that mississippi DID use during the war (which are very nice designs incidentally). Job done!

112 posted on 06/20/2015 4:33:04 PM PDT by Vanders9
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Defenders of the flag would point out that the United States flag is itself tied up with ugly questions of history.

Today we are being told the "Stainless Banner" must be pulled down by the very same agitators who are already warming up to remove the cross from every public property and is nipping at removing the "Star Spangled Banner" as well.(See Arizona, California public schools)

All because of an misbegotten belief one has a "right" not to be offended!

The old proverb comes to mind...."Give 'em an inch...."

I say "Go pound sand"
116 posted on 06/20/2015 5:27:53 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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Even beyond that, though, the Flag has taken on yet another contextual meaning in the years since. The Confederate Battle Flag was the emblem of Jim Crow defiance to the civil rights movement, of the Dixiecrat opposition to integration, and of the domestic terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Citizens’ Councils of our all too recent, all too awful history.

So the flag has a lot of bad connotations because of associations with white supremacists and segregationist.

The Democrats PARTY has a lot of bad connotations because of associations with the KKK, Jim Crow laws, segregationists, etc.

The DNC still has not made amends. Robert Sheets Byrd (D-KKK) was highly regarded and celebrated at the time of his passing. He was a man who was unapologetic about using the N-word proclaiming that it was okay because there are white niggers too. He was a recruiter for the KKK, how many of his recruits engaged in hate crimes for that organization?

119 posted on 06/20/2015 7:20:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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This is really pathetic. Nine people are dead in a vicious attack committed by a vile racist and all people are talking about is will the South Carolina legislature vote a to remove a stupid flag. As if the flag was the whole motivation for the massacre.


131 posted on 06/21/2015 5:07:26 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

The Alinskynites appear intent on igniting a race war.

Wake up America.


132 posted on 06/21/2015 7:16:05 AM PDT by LastDayz (Few men desire liberty, most men wish only for a just master. Sallust)
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The real question has nothing to do with a flag. The real question is just what is it that the progressives CAN’T make the rest of us do? Let’s start with the easy stuff. Pay income taxes? Check. Accept perversion as “normal”? Check. Accept bigger and bigger, more intrusive gummint? Check. Accept universal snooping? Check. Accept ridiculous behavior against our persons in order to travel? Check. Am I missing some?

How about accepting civilian disarmament? Just what is it they could propose that we would respond with, “Alright, now you have just gone and done it!”


134 posted on 06/21/2015 8:16:15 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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Though adamantly opposed to contemporary Leftism, I am a descendant of Civil War Southern Unionist Republicans, and I welcome the author's article and points for that reason.

Now let me ask you this: when do you think the Black "co-religionists" of Mr. (Dr.?) Moore will re-think their decades long alliance and love affair with the political Left--with abortion, homosexuality, atheism, evolution, and higher criticism?

My prediction is never. And the institutional Black church has chosen to ignore all moral issues in favor of all social justice all the time and is totally invested in the complete nihilist revolution of the Gramscians. This is unfortunate, but it is true.

There is something I don't understand and which I wish someone would explain to me: all the Blacks I encounter personally appear to be Biblical fundamentalists, yet they vote Democrat and produce only leftist Democrat politicians and resolutely refuse to get involved on the issue of traditional morality.

137 posted on 06/21/2015 3:43:33 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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