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Fast Track for the Trans Pacific Partnership Accords with Democracy
Library of Law and Liberty ^ | MAY 29, 2015 | JOHN O. MCGINNIS

Posted on 06/17/2015 10:16:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: philman_36

I tried to give you a hint. Now you are posting pablum. Par for the course for these threads.


41 posted on 06/18/2015 5:44:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TomasUSMC

EVERY member of congress that votes for this must be primaried next year and removed from office.


42 posted on 06/18/2015 5:45:43 AM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: 1rudeboy
The Senate did not negotiate START.

Oh, let's quibble! They ratified it.

Yet there was debate.

Debating the New START Treaty
The Senate Armed Services Committee wrapped up testimony July 20 on the new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia, part of President Obama's overall nuclear nonproliferation strategy. The Senate must now decide whether to ratify or shelve the measure. But while action may wait until later this year, battle lines are already being drawn. The White House and congressional Democrats have warned against rejection of the treaty, the terms of which were agreed to by Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in April. On the other side of the debate are analysts and Republican lawmakers who warn that the treaty will devastate U.S. national security and be a strategic victory for Russia.

Senate approves nuclear arms treaty with Russia
The Senate voted 71-26 in favor of the New START treaty between the former Cold War foes after a contentious debate with Republican leaders that threatened traditional bipartisanship on security affairs.

None of that is going to happen with TPP.
Thanks for taking the bait.

43 posted on 06/18/2015 5:51:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You haven’t been following this very closely, have you? When the TPP is published, Congress will have 60 days to debate it. So yes, “yet” there will be debate.


44 posted on 06/18/2015 5:54:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Senate ratifies new U.S.-Russia nuclear weapons treaty

The final vote came after Senate Democrats accepted two amendments designed to placate Republicans who had qualms about the treaty. The amendments, which passed on voice votes with bipartisan support, emphasized the administration's commitment to a limited missile-defense program and to continued funding to modernize the aging U.S. nuclear weapons complex.

No amendments for TPP or any of the other upcoming "trade deals", is there?

45 posted on 06/18/2015 5:55:30 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SoConPubbie
Other nations are unlikely to negotiate seriously if they know that any agreement they make can be amended in Congress to the unilateral advantage of the United States. Given the geopolitical reasons for the TPP, making this procedural precommitment is in the national interest.

Ok So Con. You posted this. Explain to all of us how, in light of the above statement, TPP is not a treaty.

Don't post a bunch of talking points. Tell us in your own words.

Inform us ignorant peasants with your brilliance.

46 posted on 06/18/2015 5:58:32 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: 1rudeboy
When the TPP is published, Congress will have 60 days to debate it.

They can debate it all they want...they can't amend it! It's an up or down vote as is, isn't it.

47 posted on 06/18/2015 5:58:41 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Oops.

The amendments were to the resolution of ratification accompanying the treaty, a nonbinding statement that codifies the Senate's understanding of the pact but does not directly affect its language.

48 posted on 06/18/2015 5:58:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Were there, or were there not, amendments?


49 posted on 06/18/2015 6:00:45 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Were they, or were they not, binding? Jeepers you early morning protectionists are dense.


50 posted on 06/18/2015 6:02:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Were they, or were they not, binding?

So you admit there were amendments, even if they were not binding.

Thank you again for playing along.

51 posted on 06/18/2015 6:03:57 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
My pleasure. As you stated:

The Senate did negotiate a START Treaty. Several times, in fact.

It just didn't amount to squat. Good for nothing is good enough for you.

52 posted on 06/18/2015 6:06:20 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
So, once again...They can debate it all they want...they can't amend it! It's an up or down vote as is, isn't it.
53 posted on 06/18/2015 6:06:48 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Hmm . . . just like the START Treaty!


54 posted on 06/18/2015 6:08:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
As you stated:...

I also corrected myself...Oh, let's quibble! They ratified it.

Good for nothing is good enough for you.

Attempting to read other people's minds again?

55 posted on 06/18/2015 6:10:17 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 1rudeboy
Hmm . . . just like the START Treaty!

No, not just like the START Treaty!. Once again, TPP is an up or down vote with no amendments...right?

56 posted on 06/18/2015 6:12:01 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
You corrected nothing. You accused me of "quibbling."

What's this about "reading minds?" Sounds like Religion Forum stuff. Why don't you go back there if you can't handle Econ threads.

57 posted on 06/18/2015 6:12:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: philman_36

Unless someone chooses to pass a non-binding amendment. Derp.


58 posted on 06/18/2015 6:13:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Once again, TPP is an up or down vote with no amendments...right?


59 posted on 06/18/2015 6:13:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 1rudeboy
Unless someone chooses to pass a non-binding amendment.

Once again, TPP is an up or down vote with no amendments...right?

60 posted on 06/18/2015 6:17:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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