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A Maryland DJ has refused to work a birthday party for a gay man...
Washington Post ^ | 6/12/15 | Michelle Boorstein

Posted on 06/15/2015 3:36:45 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: BubbaJunebug

This battle must happen, being in their business, they had to have known this was coming sooner rather than later.


81 posted on 06/15/2015 6:55:22 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: DoodleDawg
"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.: - Matthew 5:32

So, what you are saying is that divorce IS justified, by the Bible, under the right conditions, right? So, should I require all my customer's to give me their life's history to determine if they are living in sin? Or, wouldn't it be more respectful, business-like, and prudent to only use those items that are readily seen by the naked eye as a discernment method? I'm just trying to see how deep a business owner is supposed to dig, in order to meet your acceptance level.

I'm not saying this company is right or wrong, I'm asking, what would be a proper method to use for business discernment?
82 posted on 06/15/2015 6:55:37 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Public sector unions: A & B agreeing on a contract to screw C!)
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To: jacknhoo

Correct. It’s a form of slavery to be forced to work against your will.


83 posted on 06/15/2015 6:56:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: silverleaf
And I never knew of a Saint who refused to associate with sinners

Yes, they did. In an attempt to help them forego their sinful lives, not to help them celebrate or justify their sins.

84 posted on 06/15/2015 7:00:10 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

How does a birthday party “celebrate or justify their sins,” though?


85 posted on 06/15/2015 7:10:42 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
How does a birthday party “celebrate or justify their sins,” though?

Straw man. I didn't say that. My response was in a response to another poster stating that Saints associated with sinners.

86 posted on 06/15/2015 7:27:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: markomalley

100% did not “marry” in the orthodox church. Are they being sued? why use the sister? This has all the stench of a set up and not a legitimate case.


87 posted on 06/15/2015 7:38:12 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley

I see the eventual conclusion to this as protection via contract law. That is, Christian oriented businesses have been around for a long time, and even list in directories with other Christian businesses.

However, if they offer their services to the general public, the law will not protect them against discrimination suits.

So the way around this is to only offer services through a network of conservative Christian churches. Churches can legally discriminate on grounds of morality, so would act as a *contractual* screen against immoral behavior.

Such contracts are pretty bullet proof in the courts, as long as there is any “consideration”, a small fee paid to the churches to act as a screen, by individual businesses.

In practice, the potential client would call the business to request goods or services. The business would tell them that they exclusively provide these goods or services by contract through a list of churches in the area, so which church are the clients going through?

The clients won’t know of the contract, so the business lists for them the churches they cater to. If they do not want church approval, are secular, are immoral, etc., then the business can legally turn them down, as it would be a violation of their contract.

The business can even provide a checklist to the churches about acceptable behavior they can ask potential clients about. If the potential clients lie, it is a violation of the separate contract, and the business can refuse those goods or services.


88 posted on 06/15/2015 7:40:02 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: markomalley

Budget cut hit: “Montgomery County Human Rights Commission.”


89 posted on 06/15/2015 8:06:42 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Ancient Man
Have you ever personally witnessed a gay party? Their behavior is utterly disgusting. Given the choice, I would avoid it like the plague.

One Friday in the Fall of 1978 Six Flags Magic Mountain (which used-to rent the park out for private parties of mega-organizations during the off-season) had a "Gay Night" where the attendees bought their tickets from local organizations and the park was otherwise close to the public on Fridays that time of year. When the gates opened 20,000 wild-eyed crazed adults came running through the gates screaming, and it went down hill from there. At the time I was working in souvenir stores, so I didn't get to see as many of the "sites" that the ride operators and the restroom-maintenance people saw. Suffice it to say those are tales best left untold after all these years. I was 17 at the time, but the events of that night indelibly burned into my consciousness everything anyone needs to know about these mentally disturbed people and what they are all about.

90 posted on 06/15/2015 8:36:32 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Go Gordon

The Bible gives one and only one justification for divorce: fornication, or sex outside of the marriage.
This goes back to Mosaic law, or the law given to the Jews in the time of Moses and Aaron.

ANY other reason for *modern* divorce is outside of Christian law because Jesus didn’t come to modify the law, not one jot or tittle.

Modern christians forget the Bible must be adhered to very narrowly.

I know there are folks on this forum who can cite chapter and verse the scripture that teaches this. Unfortunately I can’t.


91 posted on 06/15/2015 11:15:38 AM PDT by oldvirginian (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: DoodleDawg

Not to birthdays but to the lifestyle of the participants.

Working the birthday party makes him a participant in the party which would mean he condones the lifestyles of the participants.

By condoning by participating he is breaking the law of God.

When Moses was on the mountain receiving the law from God, there were those who didn’t condone the worshipping of the idol.
By *not* separating themselves from those who did worship the idol, they were as guilty as the active participants.
God condemned the Jews to wander the desert until that *entire* generation had passed away.
The law of God is narrow whether we like it or not.


92 posted on 06/15/2015 11:33:07 AM PDT by oldvirginian (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: silverleaf

Associating with sinners is not the point.

This wasn’t about the business owner hanging out with anyone, sinner or not, in his free time. This was about the business owner being paid for his skills for doing something that he objects to on a 1st amendment basis (right to free speech and freedom of religion).

I’m so sick of the “Christians don’t want to associate with sinners but they are sinners themselves” accusations. Anyone who claims that Christians “h8” homosexuals or claims Christians are “homophobic” is a bigot against Christians.


93 posted on 06/15/2015 11:38:30 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: ExTxMarine
So, what you are saying is that divorce IS justified, by the Bible, under the right conditions, right?

That would depend on whether you feel that Luke and Mark were the accurate description of what Jesus said, in which case there is no justification for divorce. Or if you go with Matthew, in which case there is one loophole in Jesus's no-divorce position. Or if you go along with most of the Protestant sects who have decided that Jesus didn't know what He was talking about and when it comes to divorce it's no holds barred. As a Catholic I'm taught that marriage is forever and divorce is not allowed because it leads to an adulterous lifestyle. So if this DJ outfit is serious about following Biblical morality then maybe they need to decline weddings where the bride or groom have been divorced? It's an easy question to ask.

94 posted on 06/15/2015 11:43:41 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
So if this DJ outfit is serious about following Biblical morality then maybe they need to decline weddings where the bride or groom have been divorced?

Again, that would still depend on the DJ's interpretation and HIS discernment with whether Luke and Mark is correct or Matthew is correct - right? And further, it would require him to look into the circumstances of their divorce decree, even if he chose Matthew, right? Doesn't that seem a bit intrusive?

But, someone saying they are homosexual and displaying that sin (as a right), he shouldn't concern himself with at all? It seems that you think he has a RIGHT to some discretion; just not THIS discretion.
95 posted on 06/15/2015 12:15:47 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Public sector unions: A & B agreeing on a contract to screw C!)
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To: ExTxMarine
Again, that would still depend on the DJ's interpretation and HIS discernment with whether Luke and Mark is correct or Matthew is correct - right?

I guess. He already is deciding what constitutes "Biblical morality" as it is.

96 posted on 06/15/2015 12:25:21 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: markomalley

I’m amazed Washington Poop actually used the word G-d in an article. Isn’t that illegal for them?


97 posted on 06/15/2015 7:34:24 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: markomalley; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Oh, right in the heart of liberal-land!

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


98 posted on 06/16/2015 5:47:11 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cancer-free since 1988! US out of UN! UN out of US!)
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To: silverleaf
There is nothing “Christian” about a birthday party. This business owner is just a bigot.

Seriously? You've never been to a gay party, have you? As a woman, I've been to a few that were thrown for gay male business associates. The language alone ran like a sewer. Then there was the incidental drug use, the "art" on the walls and having to witness PDAs. No, thanks. The ones I went to would definitely violate the conscience of a believer. Who's the bigot here?

99 posted on 06/17/2015 12:23:04 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We've seen this before. There's a master race. Now there's a master faith." Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: silverleaf
Not that you are striving for sainthood...

Apparently you think you are.

100 posted on 06/17/2015 12:30:30 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We've seen this before. There's a master race. Now there's a master faith." Benjamin Netanyahu)
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