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Marine court-martialed for refusing to remove Bible verse
Fox News ^ | May 2, 2015 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 05/27/2015 8:53:39 AM PDT by yoe

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To: IYAS9YAS

The evidence was irrelevant, the judge rules on evidence every single day in our courts. The Marines may grant permission or deny permission. Provide an example of something that must be allowed without permission.


21 posted on 05/27/2015 10:08:42 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: stanne
They are not allowed to proselytize while in uniform.

I tend to agree with you. The verse itself was harmless, and maybe even appropriate. But to allow it is to force the military to have to determine which verses are appropriate, and which are not.

And there is a second point to consider. If this marine is allowed to put up Christian quotes, then a muslim marine would probably be allowed to put up muslim quotes. We sure don't want to go down that road.

Even though I disagree with the woman in this case. I do admire her for trying to stand up for her Christian beliefs.

22 posted on 05/27/2015 10:10:37 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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Was the Bible verse on an email signature? If that, I can understand. People are welcome to use those on their personal email, but when you apply that to a company (or government) email address, that is now representative of the organization to which I would then side with the supervisor.

If the verse was simply as desktop background or somewhere on the computer that wasn’t effecting others then she should have been able to do what she wants. As others have said, probably more to the story.


23 posted on 05/27/2015 10:16:22 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: centurion316
The Marine Corps owns the computer, everything on that machine is subject to the approval of the USMC.

This was not "on" the computer, it was taped to the monitor. By your justification, you can't put up a calendar in your cubicle without the Commandant giving you written permission, and that simply isn't the way the Marine Corps works.
24 posted on 05/27/2015 10:16:48 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Public sector unions: A & B agreeing on a contract to screw C!)
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To: centurion316
The Marines may grant permission or deny permission.

No denying that. My question is why was this Marine supposedly singled out. My take, again, is that she was a problem child, and had deeper issues and was trying to hide behind religion.

That being said, even though this is the Marines, and what an NCO says to do, if lawful, should be followed, if said NCO allows other Marines to do what this one Marine is denied, then there is an issue. Especially something as mundane as workstation decorations.

Want to make it stick? Then ensure all workstations have no personal items on them. Problem solved.

When I was stationed at Osan Air Base, Korea, back in the late '80s/early '90s, we had several black Airmen who were wearing "Black to the Future" or "Black Power" t-shirts on base while off duty. Imagine the furor if a white person did the same. Base commander said all shirts of such type were banned on base, for all races/ethnicities. Problem went away, and no one could say "boo" about it.

So no, I don't think this issue was about religion, I do think it was about a problem child, but the Marines could have helped themselves significantly by ensuring no one had any personal items on their workstations. Period.

25 posted on 05/27/2015 10:18:28 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: yoe

Remember what happened to Larkin.


26 posted on 05/27/2015 10:26:19 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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The issue in the 70’s was what decorations and personal items on display in rooms, especially posters. The easy out for commanders and First Sergeants was to simply ban all posters, but the Army was giving soldiers a little control over their little piece of the Green Machine. Better solution was for commander and First Sergeant to make decisions on case by case: if the poster needed to go down, down it came. In the end, the Army has the authority and can exercise it as required.


27 posted on 05/27/2015 10:50:28 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: SaraJohnson

That would be called Mr. Obama, the Sect. of Defence and his (anti-Christian) leadership at the Pentagon.


28 posted on 05/27/2015 11:15:06 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: SaraJohnson

What kind of Christian chooses to work for a virulently anti-Christian government?


29 posted on 05/27/2015 12:34:24 PM PDT by all the best
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Christians can not work for the anti-Christ. We have “progressed” that far.


30 posted on 05/27/2015 4:16:26 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: IYAS9YAS

Yeah. This is not that kind of thingy


31 posted on 05/27/2015 4:52:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Leaning Right

She can stand up for her Christian beliefs on her time, with certain restrictions. Then when she gets ‘out’dhe can continue

See if she does this when she works for a corporation

I’ll tell you. As a Christian being told My soul is in joepardy for not being of another denomination is unacceptable attention work, during war and trying to do my job. Unacceptable


32 posted on 05/27/2015 4:58:48 PM PDT by stanne
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To: JSDude1

Right. And it began before the Bamster. What was Bush’s major war cry against the islamists? “Islam is the religion of peace.” He’s a retard or a liar. Obama is pure anti-American evil.


33 posted on 05/27/2015 5:50:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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