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Amtrak Train May Have Been Struck Before It Derailed, Officials Say
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| May 15, 2015
| DAVE PHILIPPS and EMMA G. FITZSIMMONS
Posted on 05/15/2015 4:20:44 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey
I see, that clarifies it. But it is the same track. So odd, three trains, three issues.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:29:33 PM PDT
by
Theoria
(I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
To: MeshugeMikey
But the point of projectile impact and the point of derailment could be some distance apart.
They are speaking of an impact on the locomotive that may have affected the throttle controls, which caused acceleration, which then caused derailment at the next turn, some miles later.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:31:35 PM PDT
by
cookcounty
("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
To: MeshugeMikey
Could he have freaked hearing dispatch talking of other hits and booked it to get outta there? Still negligent if that is the case.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:34:49 PM PDT
by
RushIsMyTeddyBear
(The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
To: cookcounty
I believe the map showed the approximate points of impact. Three trains...hit at 3 different locations
may the management forgive me if this is spamming the thread with this map.
another day anohter detailement Large train derailment closes southbound 281 in Pleasanton, south of San Antonio
BY MARK D. WILSON : MAY 15, 2015 : Updated: May 15, 2015 4:54pm
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:35:28 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
thats a distinct possibilty
panic often overides common sense..particularly in those whose common sense.... may not be used to getting much... exercise...ahem
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:36:44 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: MeshugeMikey
I rode those trains in/around Phila for 25 years, and getting rocks and stuff tossed at you (train) is quite normal. Now, on the other hand, if there had been gunfire... and if bullets had hit the train and/or the engineer, I would think the NTSB with all their expertise would be able to see evidence of that. Why they need to call in the FBI to examine the cracked windshield is beyond me... the NTSB should be able to tell the difference between a bullet hole and a brick hole and a rock hole.
I think they should go with the climate change angle. Warming temps might have warped the rails in such a way as to have caused speed anomalies with the train.
To: Publius
Whats your take?
I'm still on the fence, however I believe the media is throwing out a lot of disinformation.
We'll have to see what the "FBI Investigation" determines, however I'm leaning at this point to damaged glass from the derailment.
That engine plowed a very deep and long trench across the rail yard. It took out ballast, concrete ties, rails and who knows what else. Sheet metal on the engine was also torn away below the glass.
I think they are just doing a complete investigation at this time. I just hope the conclusion are not politically motivated.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:38:01 PM PDT
by
PA Engineer
(Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
To: Cementjungle
It may have been George Bush...his powerful juju..and THE JOOS that warped the tracks....
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:38:55 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: PA Engineer
I just hope the conclusion are not politically motivated.Concur. But if ISIS is in North Philadelphia, somehow I doubt they'd tell us.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:40:01 PM PDT
by
Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
To: MeshugeMikey
Well, we know he had plenty of ‘joystick’ practice....that’s a certain.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:40:35 PM PDT
by
RushIsMyTeddyBear
(The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
To: Theoria
exactly.
Id suspect from what Ive read about that general neighborhood in this thread that “extra curricular” activity of a likely illegal nature...might not have raised many eyebrows if any, in the locations of “impact”
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:41:07 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
he was a joystick boy alright
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:41:37 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: MeshugeMikey
Gunfire is quite normal in North Philly. Sometimes it even comes from the police.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:42:22 PM PDT
by
Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
To: Publius
ahahaha yet another lovely urban location I wont be visiting
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:46:53 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: Publius
ahahaha yet another lovely urban location I wont be visiting
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:46:53 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: MeshugeMikey
Make sure you stay off the Broad Street subway north of Girard Ave.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:49:41 PM PDT
by
Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
To: willk
Look at that diagram of the route with speed limits. Notice that just beyond the curve is an area where trains accelerate to 100 MPH. Could the engineer have become distracted (maybe from whatever struck the train) and mistakenly thought he was beyond the curve? He started to accelerate, then realizing his mistake, panicked and pulled on the brake? Dispatch controls signals/train movements for a certain segment of trackage. The Amtrak Engineer would be controlled by those signals, showing him how he was to proceed. If he saw a clear signal(green) that allowed for him to proceed at max speed (100mph), towards the curve, then it would be an error by the dispatcher, giving him the wrong signal. I would think, however, since he was familiar with the route, that he would have been aware of his surroundings and realized it was to high of a speed for his location and contacted dispatch to verify the signal.
On the other hand, if the Amtrak Engineer read the signal wrong, then it would be an error on his part. Instead of the signal being for a clear(green) for max speed(100mph), it could have been a clear(green), for the slowest speed. Meaning he could proceed, not exceding the speed for that section of track(50mph), at the curve. Just like above, however, he should have known his surroundings and realized something was wrong, speed-wise.
If he was distracted or just complacent, any of the two scenarios above are plausible explanations for the acceleration then emergency braking at the curve.
To: Publius
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:50:59 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: MeshugeMikey
They may not mention it, but somebody is going to look at the other trains. It may be the Philly PD, but somebody is going to look.
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:53:47 PM PDT
by
Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
To: Publius
Girard just sounds so ...well.... URBAN.....in a “modern” sense
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posted on
05/15/2015 6:54:06 PM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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