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Mexican Cartels Try to Create a Market for Meth in New York City
Newsweek ^ | 4/21/15 | VICTORIA BEKIEMPIS

Posted on 04/25/2015 11:12:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: nathanbedford

Have you ever bought printer ink?


21 posted on 04/26/2015 12:08:56 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

>> The whole idea is to take the profit motive out of the drug trade

Indeed, it’s an industry that puts food on the table, pays the bills, builds retirement, and pays for the kids’ college tuition. And I’m talking about the good guys...


22 posted on 04/26/2015 12:09:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RC one
Good luck with that, we don't even kill them in Afghanistan.

But we do let the poppy growers fund the people who are killing our soldiers in Afghanistan.

How is that working out?


23 posted on 04/26/2015 12:10:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Slavery is slavery...


24 posted on 04/26/2015 12:10:48 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
And the unintended consequences of Prohibition remain the fruits of Prohibition.

The wages of sin are death but that equation is immune to Prohibition.


25 posted on 04/26/2015 12:13:14 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Opiates began causing problems at the turn of the 20th century, when one could buy heroin and syringes from Sears and Roebuck. The first government response was to tax and license narcotics to control their use. Drug use only became criminalized in a later phase. Heroin was even forbidden to the medical profession.

The taxation and licensing were actually tried first because our forebears actually thought that it was un-constitutional to tell Americans what we could, or could not put in our bodies!

26 posted on 04/26/2015 12:14:50 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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To: nathanbedford

So, no prohibition. We should allow, gay marriage, abortion, rape, murder for hire, doctors to by their medical license, bribery. Because prohibition is automatically bad.


27 posted on 04/26/2015 12:16:05 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

The other great thing is when you harm someone on a substance, you get a fraction of the legal penalty. Get drunk and kill someone and you get a fraction of the penalty. Get high on meth, kill some people, slap on the wrist.


28 posted on 04/26/2015 12:21:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

like I said, that’s the policy change we need.


29 posted on 04/26/2015 12:22:20 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: nickcarraway
Prohibition is a well understood historic epic in American history; what in the world could that conceivably have to do with abortion, rape, murder for hire, doctors who buy their licenses or bribery?

I do see a parallel, on the other hand, to federal prohibition or federal mandating of gay marriage to federal Prohibition as well as to federal prohibition of drugs.


30 posted on 04/26/2015 12:24:56 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
One more great thing: one you get addicted to meth, the government pays for everything.

Why is George Soros so hot for legalization? It leads to megasocialism. A meth addict can get their drugs paid for by the government, their food, housing, etc. If you don't believe this will add to the welfare state, you are seriously naive.

We need to let the workers and producers in this country know they need to work harder to support everyone else. That's their job.

31 posted on 04/26/2015 12:25:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

Prohibition is prohibition.


32 posted on 04/26/2015 12:25:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

We need to take the profit motive out of abortion, rape, murder for hire, doctors who buy their licenses and bribery. They only way we can do it is by total legalization.


33 posted on 04/26/2015 12:27:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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Not true at all, indeed that assertion is the opposite of the truth. Kill someone negligently or otherwise with your automobile and you might face only civil liability but do so while drunk and you are likely to do some time even in the absence of demonstrated culpability.

It is true to say that in some criminal contexts it might be possible to plead a defense to a higher crime because drugs or alcohol have so incapacitated the criminal that he could not form the requisite evil intent. These cases are exceedingly rare and the policy is generally disfavored.

Much more enlightened is the policy of criminalizing the behavior rather than the use of the alcohol. The exception to this rule is to be found in drunk driving statutes which in effect assume that to put a 3000 pound automobile into movement at 60 miles an hour while impaired is so inherently dangerous that it must be criminalized. But the potential to harm here is to society in general as well is to the driver and so one can argue that there is a rational relationship between the prohibition on driving while intoxicated and harm to another person. That relationship is much more attenuated than merely being intoxicated or being high. In those later cases prohibition has caused more harm than good, that is, the unintended consequences such as corruption and encouragement of illegal sale by providing a profit motive exceed whatever protection to the innocent society derives from the prohibition.


34 posted on 04/26/2015 12:36:12 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Basically, when you take away all the fancy language about profit motives etc., what you are saying is that I should spend most my time working to pay for people that can’t or don’t want to work. You can say “we shouldn’t pay for blah blah blah,” but this is the United States in 2015, so that’s just a fairy tale. You want to punish the workers for the actions of others. You want the productive people to pay more and more.


35 posted on 04/26/2015 12:43:48 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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abortion, rape, murder for hire, doctors who buy their licenses and bribery

… Are not made more profitable by being made illegal.

In each case there is an identifiable and innocent victim. In the case of prohibition of drugs there is an identifiable and innocent victim, the person who is mugged on the street by the addict seeking relief for his addiction.

Prohibition of drugs transfers the pain of the addiction to the innocent while profiting the guilty. That metaphor extends all the way to the socialism which you complain of and which we both deplore and which is mightily supported by our drug policies.


36 posted on 04/26/2015 12:44:22 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nickcarraway

With Newsweek for $1.25 a week who needs meth? /SILLY


37 posted on 04/26/2015 12:47:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: nickcarraway
You want the productive people to pay more and more

To the contrary who is it that wants the productive people to spend billions and billions of dollars annually to incarcerate drug users and make them nonproductive? Who is it that wants the productive people to spend billions and billions of dollars on law enforcement and the war on drugs which we are indisputably losing and, in fact, have lost? Who is it that wants billions of dollars of productive people to be sent abroad buying illegal drugs which could be had so much cheaper if they were legal?

If you think you get off cheaper by insisting that drugs remain illegal, you need another tax accountant.


38 posted on 04/26/2015 12:50:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Evading the question. You want me to work hard so I can pay for meth addicts lives.


39 posted on 04/26/2015 12:51:56 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nathanbedford

The people who use meth are victims.


40 posted on 04/26/2015 12:52:40 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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