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1 posted on 04/25/2015 5:26:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Secularists mock that these are ancient rules for another time and place; after all, we live in the 21st Century. But God doesn’t give us an expiration date for his moral laws. The secular absolutists worship tolerance but refuse to tolerate those who don’t agree with their political agenda.

Indeed. Thirty or forty years ago, the Gay Lobby was all about "tolerance," about acceptance into civil society. I believe some gays still believe that is the "mission." (Like my sister and her partner, who are rock-ribbed conservatives on any and every issue — except for the issue of "gayness.")

All that has changed of course. Since the 1970s, the demand for tolerance has mutated into an absolute demand that non-gays actively love them, and consider them heroes, given all the putative existential suffering and struggle they were involved in "finally coming to terms" with their "unfair" biological misidentification/social mischaracterization in terms of the categories of male and female.

And if we don't love them as they insist on being loved, then we shall be made to suffer.... Hold-outs can be sued at law; can be financially destroyed. Etc. This is not "tolerance." This is tyranny.

Even though natural reality produces only two sexes, it seems Gays need further "wiggle room" to account for themselves.... So new sexual classifications have to be added — e.g., transgender, bisexual (hermaphroditic), God knows what else is yet to come — to account for their own perceived, not to mention strongly preferred, self-experience.

Once-upon-a-time, the official Diagnostic and Statistical Manual ("DSM") of the American Psychiatric Association — we're referring to the early 1970s here — categorized homosexuality as a full-blown psychiatric disorder. This diagnosis was made on the basis of the profound observed disparity, and total lack of convergence, between a person's wholly subjective self-ideations, and the simple facts of his (or her) own ineluctable personal biology.

Following from this recognition, the therapeutic approach up until that time WRT such persons was to try to meliorate this stark disparity between a person's self-concept and his actual biological nature. That is to say, to make the self-concept more "realistic" in reflecting the actual facts on the ground WRT the person's born sexuality.

Of course, the Gay Lobby found such ideas totally intolerable, utterly offensive, and pressed the American Psychiatric Association to stop talking about them. Which it did, rather quietly, in fairly short order. The current edition of the DSM no longer lists homosexuality as a "psychiatric disorder."

Gays insist that they are "born that way." Which means there must be other "sexes" or "genders" to account for them, which have not yet been sufficiently well-acknowledged....

For many Gays, there is no question of "nature" versus "nurture": The "fact" that they are "born that way" obviates "nurture" altogether.

So it's pointless for psychotherapists to try to "normalize" them to the facts of their own biology. They are trying — it seems to me — to escape altogether from the facts of their own biology.... To them, it is some kind of ultimate liberation from human and social nature that enables them to be "free" to "be themselves."

As far as the probability of "nurture" having any relevance to the "gender self-identity" problem, Gays typically insist it has exactly no relevance whatsoever. For gays are born, not made. This seemingly is their sacred doctrine.

And yet I have to note that, having known very many gay people in my life, in many instances in the closest imaginable relations (e.g., family members and their friends), I have sensed a certain commonality in their respective personal "stories." Whether they were born male or female, there seems to be a common denominator in their psychodevelopmental backgrounds. And that is: difficult, even tortured relations, with their Mother, that persist over time; that never go away.

FWIW. I'll leave it there for now.

41 posted on 04/25/2015 4:17:04 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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“...When opposed, the LGBT coalition lashes back with a level of retribution that’s been compared to the Mafia. They don’t stop at name-calling, but viciously shame, bully and even rob Christians of their livelihoods in the name of vengeance.”


Under Obamanation, the Left smells blood. They see this time as an opportunity to destroy the foundations of our civilization and replace it with their vision of Utopia.

They preach against dogmatism, but are in reality trying to replace objective rules coming from Nature with subjective and self-serving ones created by those with juvenile mentalities. They cannot be bothered with limitations and consequences that they do not invent. Their values are based upon what they want right now — and to hell with tomorrow.

The problem is, Nature’s Laws will not be cheated. So, once they bring down the existing order, others from the outside are waiting to take over — and they do not share the values that the Left holds sacred.

Once the barbarians take over, the Left will be the first ones to go. Women will no longer be denied abortions, because they will be consigned to the status of livestock. Homosexuals will no longer be denied wedding cakes, because they will be swinging from nooses instead.

The Left may believe in dialectic materialism, but when you burn down a forest, new flowers do not necessarily grow from the ashes. Sometimes a slime mold grows where vibrant life once flourished.

And once darkness rules, human history has shown that it can take a very long time indeed for the light to return.


45 posted on 04/25/2015 9:20:50 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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The “phobia” God has is that man will cut himself off from the very fabric of his existence by engaging in the most self-destructive, society-destroying behavior defined by the creator. Those who engage in this behavior in flagrant mockery of the creator should be very “phobic” about their choice. What arrogance and hubris to make oneself into God and impute motives to the real God.


46 posted on 04/25/2015 10:35:30 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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Was Natural Section “homophobic” when it selected HETEROsexual procreation for humans?

http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Sex-Nobel-Conference-Xxiii/dp/0062502913


51 posted on 04/26/2015 9:22:11 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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"Homophobe?, you say?

I certainly do not fear you queers. Why should I?

You are readily and easily eliminated...

54 posted on 04/26/2015 10:26:55 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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Is the questioner assuming that there is some sort of external objective moral standard which forbids “homophobia” and which judges A-mighty G-d???


55 posted on 04/26/2015 3:17:39 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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