Posted on 04/24/2015 8:36:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Almost NOBODY I know is "Anti-Immigration" with the following caveats: Immigration is controlled and monitored, and is not artificially constructed to exclude the best kinds of immigrants who have workable skills, and promote immigrants who have no usable skills.
That's pretty much it. If we want to import software developers from Argentina, or machinists from the Ukraine, hysicians from South Africa, or a draftsman from Ireland, they should have an equal chance of being a citizen as any other applicant regardless of race or color, and should have a trade or skill. As a matter of fact, they should have a higher preference for being an immigrant.
And we welcome them with open arms.
What NORMAL, THINKING, and INTELLIGENT people are AGAINST is ILLEGAL immigration.
The problem is that the people who say they are "Pro-Immigration" are Pro ILLEGAL-Immigration.
“Like most technology people, The Tech Guys are pro-immigration.”
BS.. technology people are losing jobs left and right to these “legal immigrants”. They are not generally in favor of it.
If I had a choice of legal immigrants between 'the tired and poor huddled masses' and technical professionals, I know which one is more likely to pay taxes and vote Republican. People who work and create for a living build wealth for everyone. They attract capital. They raise good kids. Yes, some dilute wages. On the other hand, some start companies.
How that works out on balance I don't know. But I do think that we shouldn't just recoil at the prospect. I would bet good money that such immigrants are far preferable to "natural born" gang bangers.
Yep. Walker gets it because he has lived in the real world. American workers include people who are not in unions, don’t work for the government or are otherwise not shielded from the realities of the market place. Who knew?
“Walker is not impressed with immigrant-founded businesses like Google, AT&T, and midwestern neighbor Procter & Gamble. Perhaps he would like to deport Kohls, the third largest company in Wisconsin, back to Poland?”
These fact benders are referring to legal immigrants who entered the country after following immigration law and with proper legal papers for entry. Not overstaying visas or sneaking across the border.
Leave it to fringe lunatic liberals to twist facts to suit their purposes once agakn. And, their adoring fans take what they say at face value.
>>3rd from last paragraph in their rant, is this quote from Scott Walker which theyre working from - go figure.<<
As I said above, the Left (and some on the Right) are panicking....simple as that. He’s got them all on the run with a simple statement of economic logic.
And in doing so he’s made it clear that illegal immigration has to be curtailed. If we’re going to be evaluating the need for legal immigrants then any conclusion reached is meaningless if we don’t control the borders.
What the hey are the GOPe afraid of?
Eh. A conservative killing him or herself to avoid gotchas from a liberal media.
If a conservative doesn’t say the gotcha aloud, the media just makes it up.
Or implies that the conservative is blowing some invisible, inaudible dog whistle that is saying the same thing, and people buy it.
I think it is a waste of time for a conservative to even try to “frame” talking points beyond the minimum necessary. Once you expound at all on a point, they are going to extract whatever they want to, true or not.
Lol. With the skills of rational thought demonstrated here I wouldn't let these guys dust my keyboard.
He was arguing against H1b, which is legal. I believe he is right, or at least go in with a chisel, not a sledgehammer, as they say. Allow the best of those who graduated from American programs to stay and the rest can go home. That way our own tech people are not forced into the humiliating position of having to train tech workers who are inferior to them in knowledge and training, and then be fired themselves. That is just wrong. Greedy and wrong.
This is not about talking points and avoiding difficult subjects. Walker is being coached by Sessions, it seems, and has moved boldly to the right of the candidate pack. He’s now to the right of Cruz on this issue. Let them argue it out at the debates. We all deserve to have a variety of points of view.
Sniping proves Walker is moving in the right direction.
Agreed. They cannot even frame the issue honestly or correctly.
From reading it, it seems likely both are flaming liberals.
“According to the Americas Society/Council of the Americas, immigrants started 28 percent of all new U.S. businesses in 2011, employing one in ten U.S. workers.”
I am sick and tired of people using out of date data in their arguments. The other day someone was voicing their opinion on data from 1998. WTF! In 2011 we had an immigration problem. That problem is 10 times worse today. Legal immigration isn’t being attacked. And talking about offending legal immigrants, my guess is that legal immigrants are just as fed up with paying to feed, clothe, and educate illegals as those of us born here. The illegal immigrants we see today aren’t starting up online web browsers or department stores. They come here to live for free. I would also like to know how many of these businesses started by illegals are more than just a liquor store where the only people they are hiring are members of their own illegal family.
bttt!
Well played.
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>>What the hey are the GOPe afraid of?<<
There is a rational answer, or two actually, one correct, one not so much.
One current of economic thinking goes that more workers equals more wealth for the nation. Those who think that way fear that an aging population will result in diminishing GDP. Obviously that would be true in the extreme, if virtually everyone was retired, although it could still be a country populated by unimaginably wealthy people who made nothing and purchased everything, living off their investments. A few low-population oil-producing countries could be close examples of that I suppose.
But mostly, it’s felt that increasing the labor force increases GDP. What it fails to consider is that individual workers’ wages might not be increasing, and might even be falling relative to other prices. In fact, that could be the case for the past decade or so here in the U.S.
The other reason, a more rational one, is that certain industries would be decimated if immigrant, and particularly immigrant migrant, help is not available. Crops would go unpicked, homes would go unbuilt, or uncleaned at least, etc. Even milk producers hire a lot of migrant help, while complaining that they really need them year round, not seasonally. This is probably true, particularly if you closed the border and sent everyone home who is now here illegally. It’s sort of a “Hey, it’s a mess, but don’t make an even bigger mess when you try to fix it” sort of argument, and it makes some sense, at least in the short term.
All in all though, businesses prefer stability, and most would easily adjust to a stable world where legal immigration was strictly controlled and illegal immigration was curtailed completely. Of course, some industries would adapt in ways we might argue with, but they would adapt.
OpEd quote:
Perhaps Walker plans to erect Joe Kennedy Seniors get-out-the-vote machine and harvest 150 percent of the white vote?
I do believe you have correctly spotted their bent.
In other words, they had trades they practiced, and did not come to this country and mooch. Believing a moocher is going to start something other than a methamphetamine business is pie-in-the-sky economics.
Most people have no concept of how these “immigrants” start that many businesses. THEY GET FREE LOANS. They get financial gov. income to live on while they are starting and building these businesses. They also get exempted from ALL zoning laws.
If Americans really understood this, there would be a revolution. WE get nothing but problems if we try to open a new business in the USA.
Hubby and I wanted to open a gourmet pizza restaurant back in the early 90s in a NH ski town. Had the perfect spot, got great support for the idea from some in positions of power.
Then came the local ptb. We were told we needed 12 sinks. That’s right. 12, not including the bathrooms.
There was literally no space to put the 12 sinks.
The fire marshall checked out the building and received $2500 for his opinion on the building.
Why don’t Americans open businesses? That is why. You risk all that capital and all you get is grief. Immigrants are above business law and regulations.
The rise in immigration has corresponded with a decline in wages for the middle class - in short, labor supply is decreasing wages given flat demand.
Stopping immigration until after we’ve truly improved the economy - as witnessed by workforce participation rates getting back to 70% - is a fair solution.
There is a HUGE undercurrent of disgust in the country with the way the American worker has been treated.
I have 2 extended family members (women) who had to train their replacements (they’d both worked for these companies for 20+ years). This also has happened to friends.
There are many stories out there.
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