Posted on 04/10/2015 7:58:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
Is Mitch the problem or the solution?
That should answer your question.
Paul says that he believes that life begins at conception.
From Breitbart:
When Hannity asked him to clarify if he meant that he believes that life begins at conception, Paul answered, “I do truly believe that, but I also understand that there can be a range of opinions, and that to make life better, and to protect more life, I’m willing to go for all kinds of ‘in between’ solutions.
Why go on a network you know will be biased against you?
And expose your John McCain like nastiness.
You have to be kidding. If the 2008 ticket had turned on itself for 2010, it would have dominated that election cycle in the news and the narrative and would have destroyed our history making gains of the 2010 election, and McCain would still have easily won.
On the other hand, Paul cut off the tea party in 2013.
March, 2013—”Rand Paul endorses Mitch McConnell in 2014 Senate race, won’t back tea party challenge”
That is a bald faced lie, no one claims such a thing, and that is the already existing position of the republican party platform and the pro-life movement.
Rand Paul sees all kinds of exception and is pro-choice.
And welcome to your second day here paulbot.
You will have to do better than that though.
I think the GOP has been a 'limited' pro-life party for years. JMHO. They have always supported the rape, incest, life of mother exceptions, iirc. That makes them 'limited' pro-life. I've never agreed with the 'incest' exception, unless it's 'rape', so that really is redundant.
There was a time I vehemently argued for the rape exception, and I still have great sympathy for victims of VIOLENT rape. I'm not talking statutory rape, and never considered that the discussion, but I initially turned against the rape exception because it is so fuzzy. Anyone can claim anything, and there's absolutely no way to prove it one way or another.
Probably wagglebee nailed me to the wall with a requirement to decide when life begins. God says in the bible about Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
It's hard NOT to see that as even before conception, so in biological terms one can only conclude conception.
So, my sense is that unless you nail down a person's belief on when life begins, you can't understand them or any contradictions they're espousing. In that regard, the GOP is schizoid. Their base is pro-life, and their establishment leadership is pro-choice....limited pro-life at best.
If he's talking about 'abortion', then that's one thing. If he's talking about legislation, then that's another.
I support legislation that forbids abortion after 20 weeks, but it means I'm acknowledging abortions that take prior to that. Some would say that it means I'm supporting them. I don't think that's the case. I'm using all means to limit as many as I can.
And what did you expect Cruz to do? Spit on Thad? Kick him in the balls? Call him names?
No they haven't.
Why do you make these kind of arguments?
August 27, 2012 CBS interview with Scott Pelley:
PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?
ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.
Wow, you are always there for Rand and his abortion positions.
Some of us have spent at least half a year trying to get you to change.
How did you get that out of what I wrote?
Post 68 is yet another defense of Paul on abortion.
let’s go down the list:
GHW Bush: And I have had a couple of exceptions that I support – rape, incest and the life of the mother
Dole: rape, incest, life of mother
McCain: “On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “
Romney: Was cagey. His ‘health of mother’ comment betrayed his true position.
GW Bush: Bush opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.
No it isn’t. How can you conclude that?
By misrepresenting what you're saying...the same way he misrepresents what Rand Paul is saying.
If he’s talking about ‘abortion’, then that’s one thing. If he’s talking about legislation, then that’s another.
I support legislation that forbids abortion after 20 weeks, but it means I’m acknowledging abortions that take prior to that. Some would say that it means I’m supporting them. I don’t think that’s the case. I’m using all means to limit as many as I can.
68 posted on 4/10/2015, 9:58:31 AM by xzins
Your argument with me on this thread, is that I am wrong about Rand Paul’s position on abortion, and you keep spinning and trying to explain away Paul’s position and statements.
Rand Paul’s overall campaign is to move the GOP left on abortion and social conservatism, and into libertarianism.
“”Evolve, adapt or die. That is the fate of our current Republican party. We must evolve as a party and find a way to attract millennials to the conservative movement or we will never succeed in realizing our ideals of individual freedom and freedom from government interference.””
“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”
This (below) sounds like a pro-life warrior to you? Or does it sound like the guy speaking above, who wants us to grow and “evolve” on abortion.
CNN:
BLITZER: So, just to be precise, if you believe life begins at conception, which I suspect you do believe that, you would have no exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother, is that right?
PAUL: Well, I think that once again puts things in too small of a box. What I would say is that there are thousands of exceptions. You know, I’m a physician and every individual case is going to be different, and everything is going to be particular to that individual case and what’s going on with that mother and the medical circumstances of that mother.
I would say that after birth, you know, we’ve decided that when life begins, we have decided that we don’t have exceptions for one- day-old or six-month-olds. We don’t ask where they came from or how they came into being, but it is more complicated because the rest of it depends on the definition of when life comes in. So, I don’t think it’s a simple as checking box and saying exceptions or no exceptions.
And there are a lot of decisions that are made privately by families and their doctors that really won’t — the law won’t apply to, but I think it’s important that we not be flippant one way or the other and pigeon hole and say, oh, this person doesn’t believe in any sort of discussion between family. And so, I don’t know if there’s a simple way to put me in a category on any of that.
BLITZER: Well, it sounds like you believe in some exceptions.
PAUL: Well, there’s going to be, like I say, thousands of extraneous situations where the life of the mother is involved and other things that are involved.
So, I would say that each individual case would have to be addressed and even if there were eventually a change in the law, let’s say, the people came more to my way of thinking, it’s still be a lot of complicated things that the law may not ultimately be able to address in the early stages of pregnancy that would have to be part of what occurs between the physician and the woman and the family.
Rand Paul is campaigning on, and is devoting this year and presumably the next year, to selling pro-choice to the rank and file republicans and conservatives.
He doesn’t just have a personal view at odds with the party platform and the base, he is working to once and for all, overcome and end that pro-life platform, are you going to aid that effort, or fight to expose it?
“But Mr. Romney would hardly be the first Republican nominee at odds with his party’s more absolute opposition to abortion. Just four years ago, the Republican Party adopted a platform with a similar plank seeking an unconditional ban on abortion, even though its nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, had urged the party in the past to allow certain exceptions. George W. Bush also supported outlawing abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the pregnant woman was in danger.
After this year’s abortion plank language was approved with little debate, the chairman of the platform committee, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, praised the committee for “affirming our respect for human life” and for doing so expeditiously.”
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