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Elon Musk: The Cars You’re Driving Today Will Eventually Be Outlawed
The Daily Caller via Yahoo! News ^ | 17 March 2015 | The Daily Caller

Posted on 03/18/2015 6:41:09 AM PDT by kosciusko51

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To: Fresh Wind

Nah, I`ll take Rush any day.


81 posted on 03/18/2015 10:43:44 AM PDT by nomad
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To: kosciusko51; Doogle; Darksheare; allendale; P-Marlowe; mrmeyer; wally_bert; a fool in paradise; ...

Reading the responses here to this article, it reminded me of an article I read a couple of days ago. The article basically said that even if automated cars reduced fatalities by 90%, we would still be more critical of a robot-caused death than we would of a human-caused death. We will criticize them for only being 99.999% safe, while we ignore it if humans might only be 99.9% safe.

There is a human psychology element at play here: we are okay with being killed by factors we feel we have some control over but are not okay with being killed by something that we have less control over, even if it is ten times less likely.

I think that what Poison Pill said in comment #41 is more likely to happen than regular cars being outlawed: insurance rates will be one-tenth what they are for an automated car compared to what they are for a regular car. At that point, it will not take long for 90% of new car sales to be automated cars. Once that happens and we get bombarded with headlines about the tens of thousands of fewer automobile fatalities every year, we will be scratching our heads about how silly we were to not embrace the technology sooner.


82 posted on 03/18/2015 11:06:03 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: LogicDesigner

Cars can be hacked as it sits.
If it has automatic parking assist, cruise control, and computer aided traction control that uses the brakes, your car can be subverted.
Now, imagine that with a robocar where you are out of the loop.


83 posted on 03/18/2015 11:08:51 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: LogicDesigner

There is no way an auto car is going to be able to drive in the snow, and a million of other things. Freepers read to much sci fi. Heck trains, WHICH DRIVE ON RAILS, are not robotic.


84 posted on 03/18/2015 11:09:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Darksheare
“Cars can be hacked as it sits. If it has automatic parking assist, cruise control, and computer aided traction control that uses the brakes, your car can be subverted. Now, imagine that with a robocar where you are out of the loop.”

Just because it has a computer does not mean it can be remotely controlled. Cars have had dozens of computers in them for decades now, yet you never hear of them being hacked.

My expertise is in computer chip design (hence the username), and people often don't understand that not everything has remote wireless access, and that it is easy to segregate different systems in the car that may have remote access.

85 posted on 03/18/2015 11:14:24 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: kosciusko51
I can think of several reasons why today's cars might be outlawed in the future.

That didn't even make the list.

86 posted on 03/18/2015 11:17:21 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: LogicDesigner

Did you intentionally miss the point? Elon sure as hell did.

It isn’t the governments job to outlaw or mandate things like this.

Period.


87 posted on 03/18/2015 11:19:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: LogicDesigner

UH, a teen with $15 worth of electronics did indeed hack a car.
Didn’t need to actually do much physically to the car.
Fact is, yes cars can be hacked.


88 posted on 03/18/2015 11:20:56 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: central_va
“There is no way an auto car is going to be able to drive in the snow, and a million of other things. Freepers read to much sci fi. Heck trains, WHICH DRIVE ON RAILS, are not robotic.”

You would be surprised at what they can do now. Here is a brief overview of the Google automated car's capabilities.



89 posted on 03/18/2015 11:25:34 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: gogeo
I can think of several reasons why today's cars might be outlawed in the future. That didn't even make the list.

I am thinking Agenda 21. It is all about control. Housing, food, healthcare and transportation will be under the control of the central government.

90 posted on 03/18/2015 11:25:56 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: LogicDesigner; central_va

Again: If it is computerized, there is a way to defeat or subvert it.


91 posted on 03/18/2015 11:28:11 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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“UH, a teen with $15 worth of electronics did indeed hack a car. Didn’t need to actually do much physically to the car. Fact is, yes cars can be hacked.”

But he first had to have physical access to the internals of the car, correct? If someone gets internal access to your car, then they don't need to hack it. =)

92 posted on 03/18/2015 11:28:46 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: LogicDesigner

Easy enough for a mechanic, or some alphabet agency with designs on harming you to do.
Tell me, do YOU trust our government enough to give your mobility over to them in this fashion?
I do not.
And some cars have a remote network connection.
You wouldn’t NEED a physical hands on with those cars.
You just need to be close enough.
{Think “OnStar” style stuff where they can remotely kill the car.}


93 posted on 03/18/2015 11:33:35 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: LogicDesigner

I guess open carry and DUIs will be a thing of the past too.

How much do you charge a mile or kilometer for use?

Can you pick up hitchhikers?

Or will defensive measures be built in?

A brave new day alright.


94 posted on 03/18/2015 11:41:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Darksheare
“Tell me, do YOU trust our government enough to give your mobility over to them in this fashion?”

An automated car does not give access to the government. It is self-contained and does not depend on remote input. In fact, in the video I posted they talked about how they don't even really need GPS input.

“And some cars have a remote network connection. You wouldn’t NEED a physical hands on with those cars. You just need to be close enough. {Think ‘OnStar’ style stuff where they can remotely kill the car.}”

Again, a remote access kill switch is completely segregated from the other control functions of the car. By that I mean physically separated in the hardware. You've watched too many movies if you think a hacker can overcome that barrier remotely.

95 posted on 03/18/2015 11:44:57 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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...insurance rates will be one-tenth what they are for an automated car compared to what they are for a regular car...

What makes you think the insurance companies will allow that to happen?

96 posted on 03/18/2015 11:47:10 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: LogicDesigner

So long as you want to go where they will take you. And when.

You may as well just have mass transit...How silly to have a car!

Won’t it be wonderful when an entire grid section could be placed on lockdown and all the little people held safely in their vehicles while some menace or another is safely dealt with.

One thing we HAVE seen is that if technology CAN be used to curtail individual freedom it WILL be used that way.


97 posted on 03/18/2015 11:48:27 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: LogicDesigner

“An automated car does not give access to the government. “

And the NSA laughed.
Go on.

“It is self-contained and does not depend on remote input.”

OnStar ring any bells?

“Again, a remote access kill switch is completely segregated from the other control functions of the car.”

Not all that much.
They need to segregate it more.
And if it can talk to the in car network at all, that is an instant nogo.
And guess what?
Car makers aren’t following that suggestion all that much.
And yes, CARS HAVE AND CAN BE HACKED.


98 posted on 03/18/2015 11:48:30 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: LogicDesigner
An automated car does not give access to the government.

Unless the government MANDATES that any automated car has that access in order to be approved to operate on public roads.

99 posted on 03/18/2015 11:49:44 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: Fresh Wind
“What makes you think the insurance companies will allow that to happen?”

Because auto insurance companies operate in highly competitive free market?

100 posted on 03/18/2015 11:50:08 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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