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UKRAINE: THE FIREPOWER THAT UKRAINE NEEDS
http://en.censor.net.ua/resonance/325423/the_firepower_that_ukraine_needs ^ | Robert H. Scales

Posted on 02/19/2015 4:09:25 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: The Black Knight
"we don’t have enough money..."

Because of the following.

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”
National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $10,414,606 [Democrat] 82% [Republican] 17%

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

"...you want to send millions/billions of dollars of aid to Ukraine?"

No. Our government could send older weapons and other spare supplies to them. We could probably spare huge numbers of old recoilless rifles along with the various kinds of ammunition for those. That would be a great help to Ukrainians under the circumstances (not necessary to punch through tank armor with one shot, as there's a process to such tasks). Quit spending so much on the useless political elements (see above) that are trying to preserve their excessive funding by pushing anti-defense rhetoric, and build up our manufacturing base for defense of our country and allies.


21 posted on 02/19/2015 5:45:03 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: goldstategop
People in Ukraine who think that have taken leave of their senses.

Sure. Why get weapons to defend ones country when it's more "sensible" to appease.

22 posted on 02/19/2015 5:47:12 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: CMB_polarization
"Ukraine had Soviet nuclear weapons on its territory and agreed to have them dismantled."

Keeping Soviet junk wouldn't do them any good.


23 posted on 02/19/2015 5:48:40 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I support the Ukraine over invading Russians but this article is NOT Breaking News!


24 posted on 02/19/2015 6:03:09 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

First of all, quoting FDR won’t convince me of anything. The man single handedly changed the American way of life by creating most of the social programs that still plague us to this day. He then pissed on the Constitution by trying to remove judges who disagreed with him. Then, he pushed for the UN. Finally, he sat down with Stalin and literally drew the lines on the map that condemned all of Eastern Europe to Communist rule (not to mention the suppression of the Orthodox Church).

Now with that said, enlighten me on who is going to pay for all of this aid that you constantly lobby for...day in and day out.

More importantly, enlighten me on why it isn’t MORE important to send that aid to the Kurds. Or to the Assyrian Christians? ISIS has global reach. Donestsk and Luhansk militias and Russia’s “little green men” do not. I can easily make the argument that not only do the Kurds DESERVE it more (they remain loyal to us even after multiple betrayals), not only does ISIS constitute a bigger threat, but the Kurds are oustanding warriors.

You know what? I would argue that the Ethiopians, Nigerians, Malians, and Kenyans deserve that aid more than Ukraine while we’re at it!

I guess the U.S. is now Oprah handing out gifts. You get aid! And you get aid! EVERYONE gets aid!


25 posted on 02/19/2015 6:15:36 PM PST by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Guided MLRS followers is an interesting concept. One guided rocket leads the others behind to target.


26 posted on 02/19/2015 6:17:46 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: familyop

This article didn’t call for sending older weapons. It’s calling for sending MLRS batteries and trainers. Some people on this thread have called for sending boots on the ground.

I know where a tremendous amount of money is spent. I really do. The problem is that as the federal government spends more and more, the belt keeps getting tightened on the average Joe. We have 22 vets and active duty soldiers committing suicide a day because they can’t get the help they need, to include several friends of mine. You’ll have to forgive my hatred towards certain chickenhawks on Free Republic who are calling for World War III, when there are cracks in the system so big you can drive a tank through.

We, as a country, aren’t taking care of our people. So why should we take care of Ukraine?


27 posted on 02/19/2015 6:21:12 PM PST by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: The Black Knight

I am not a fan of FDR... however, many are thankful he started to increase weapon production for our nation.
We need to re-evaluate the nation’s financial priorities.
In case you missed this: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
http://www.gallup.com/poll/181568/americans-increasingly-russia-threat-top-enemy.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles


28 posted on 02/19/2015 6:25:15 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: The Black Knight
There's a whole lot of pork going to regulators against new production and property rights in every state and most counties for those who are anti-defense for the purpose of keeping it all flowing to their salaries and benefits. Such federal funding produces nothing but trouble, and both political parties pander to it.

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

They often present themselves in political speech to be conservative despite their real political activities. Hillary added much to it during the '90s. If it weren't for that, there would be more than enough for defense.


29 posted on 02/19/2015 6:34:23 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Black Knight
"You’ll have to forgive my hatred towards certain chickenhawks on Free Republic..."

...against those who trained to serve in combat platoons like myself (as differentiated from sections, flights, etc.). Yes, I've seen much of it but don't really care about your feelings or opinions.


30 posted on 02/19/2015 6:39:11 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Black Knight
"What would John Rambo do?"

He'd probably go back to the his makeup room after a scene.


31 posted on 02/19/2015 6:42:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

The chickenhawk comment wasn’t meant for you. Having said that, I haven’t been conventional Air Force in 6 years. So if the “combat platoons” and “sections, flights, etc” comments are a not-so-subtle attack on my credibility, then make it known directly.


32 posted on 02/19/2015 6:51:57 PM PST by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: The Black Knight
"We can’t even finish off ISIS or Al Qaeda..."

At least some leadership school instructors and their NCO students have been taught that losing is "unthinkable." We've been playing the game of going to extremes to avoid collateral damage for anti-defense interests here and abroad (for the oversized contingent of diplomats for trade interests).

The new axis of Russia, Iran, North Korea and other near-future, nuclear-capable nations is the real problem to solve, and everyone knows it--not a few mobs of renegade guerrillas killing off their own anti-western kind in their own neighborhoods.

The big civilian spending, political correctness (feminism, homo-activism, etc.) and anti-American diplomacy will go away either through a turn toward national righteousness or through severe national hardship followed by national righteousness.

And the religious folks getting killed by their neighbors? I'll post some info on that for you.


33 posted on 02/19/2015 7:12:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Black Knight
"(not to mention the suppression of the Orthodox Church)...More importantly, enlighten me on why it isn’t MORE important to send that aid to the Kurds. Or to the Assyrian Christians?"

Here's some background info to counter much of the Russian, Syrian, Lebanese and other propaganda (using religion) that we've been seeing. Hopefully, it will be helpful for some readers here.

Ground to a Halt (Research shows: Suicide-bombers Communists, not Islamists
New York Times ^ | August 3, 2006 | ROBERT PAPE
...
In writing my book on suicide attackers, I had researchers scour Lebanese sources to collect martyr videos, pictures and testimonials and the biographies of the Hezbollah bombers. Of the 41, we identified the names, birth places and other personal data for 38. Shockingly, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were from leftist political groups like the Lebanese Communist Party and the Arab Socialist Union. Three were Christians, including a female high-school teacher with a college degree. All were born in Lebanon.
...
Robert A. Pape, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, is the author of “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.”



familyop: Iran is also communist, by the way (everything state-owned and much of it doled out to the families of clerics). I posted hundreds of articles on Iran and the need to take care of business there a long time ago, but anti-American, pecuniary, international socialist interests here threw trash in threads at nearly every article. Iran continues to build nuclear weapons.

On the Syrian-Lebanese-Iranian alliance.

Lebanon Is NOT Innocent (David Horowitz Slams The Lebanon “Innocent Bystander” Myth Alert)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671142/posts

Here's some very related information about Lebanon for those acquainted with geography, sub-populations and sentiments in the area.

Maronites are the predominant Christian population in Lebanon.

Harb pledges to be forceful president [Maronite "ready to fight" Israel, "protect Hezbollah"]
Lebanese Lobby (Lebanon) ^ | 11SEP07 | Francis Matthew
"Beirut: Boutros Harb, long-serving Maronite Lebanese Member of Parliament, is standing for president and reaching out to the Shiite Hezbollah, across the political divide in the country.
[...]
"I have proposed that the Lebanese army and government must be in control of declaring war, and that we should find a way to incorporate Hezbollah's forces into the army. But this has to be on the condition that the Lebanese government and army accept the full duty of being ready to fight and protect Hezbollah if Israel attacks," he said, adding that it was also important that Lebanon had to liberate the occupied territory of the Sheba'a Farms from Israel."



Lebanese leaders call for unity [All of them support the terrorists. ...always have.]
CNN International ^ | 20JUL06 | CNN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1668991/posts

"The ship is sinking and all of us, the Lebanese, should stick together and work together to stop the Israeli aggression," Amin Gemayel, a Maronite Christian who served as president from 1982 to 1988, told the Arabic-language TV station Al-Jazeera . . . Michel Aoun, a one-time commander in Lebanon's 15-year civil war who now serves in parliament, said . . . "I don't think that Israel has the capability to destroy Hezbollah militarily because Hezbollah is not a group of armed men," Aoun said. "Hezbollah is a major part of the Lebanese social fabric."


Lebanon says army ready to fight [The truth about Lebanon.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670344/posts

Aoun is also a Maronite Christian.


Lebanon Turns to the Vatican to Halt Israeli Offensive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1668754/posts

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts


34 posted on 02/19/2015 7:30:53 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Black Knight
On religious propaganda coming out of Russia,...


Sex for the motherland: Russian youths encouraged to procreate at camp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian-youths-encouraged-procreate-camp.html

Russian Youth Group Encourages "More Sex" to Save Motherland from Dwindling Population
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | July 30, 2007 | John Jalsevac

Posted on Tue Jul 31 04:48:24 2007 by monomaniac

Russian Youth Group Encourages "More Sex" to Save Motherland from Dwindling Population

By John Jalsevac

MOSCOW, Russia, July 30, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Russian nationalist youth group is encouraging youth to have more sex in an effort to combat the nation's devastating demographic crisis, reports the Daily Mail.

In a lengthy special report the Daily Mail documents the activities of the Nashi youth movement, which is sponsoring a summer camp attended by some 10,000 Russian youth this summer. Not only are Nashi organizers encouraging the youth to have more sex, but they have designated a special area at the dormitories, the Love Oasis, for young men and women to engage in sexual intercourse. According to the Mail, condoms are unavailable in the camp.

"They [The pre-historic mammoths] became extinct because they did not have enough sex. That must not happen to Russia," said a Nashi organizer to a group of assembled campers.

The nationalistic camp involves two weeks of lectures, reported by some Western sources as being little more than anti-Western "propaganda," as well as a strenuous regimen of physical exercise. Numerous young couples have also been married at the camp, with 25 couples being married at the beginning of the first week, and ten to be married at the beginning of the second.

While many people, especially in the West, are finding in the Kremlin-initiated, and Kremlin-loyal Nashi youth group a disturbing image of similar groups started up in Nazi-era Germany, the camp's approach to sex is further evidence that the Russian government is not unaware that a demographic crisis is leading the entire Russian nation towards an early grave.


Ruthless Russia
American Thinker ^ | June 16, 2007 | Peter B. Martin
Excerpt:
Putin has created a very sophisticated youth movement made up of over 100,000 volunteers called "Nashi", much like a clone of the Nazi youth movement. It is a well-equipped, fanatical, nationalistic private army that is hostile to foreigners and to any political group opposing the Kremlin leadership. Their aggressive behavior is not only tolerated by the authorities but also even encouraged. They help re-enforce local police; wearing black attire, they aggressively beat anyone they consider hooligans or insurrectionist.

They have been taught to believe that the United States is actively preparing a pro-western revolution in their country and that they will thwart it. They have developed high-level recruiting and training camps right across the expanse of Russia. Not only are they schooled in a variety of military issues, they also have orientation courses in such esoteric subjects as gestalt therapy, to help them to survive under extreme conditions.

Russia's President Wants to Turn Around Population Decline

James Brooke | Moscow30 November 2010

Russia's president devoted the largest part of his annual State of Russia speech to reversing Russia's population decline.

If Russian couples have a third child, they will get a baby bonus, better health care, and free land to build a house or dacha, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev promised in his annual State of Russia speech.

Political analysts were hoping to hear about missiles or democracy. Instead they got babies.

[...]

What he did not say is that Russia compensates for its aging workforce by importing about 10 million laborers a year from Central Asia. After the United States, Russia is now the second-largest importer of workers. This influx of overwhelmingly Muslim workers creates tensions in Russia, where the population is largely Orthodox Christian.



Russian Patriotism Unleashed by Georgian War
SPIEGEL ONLINE ^ | 10/15/2008 | Fred Weir

Posted on Thu Oct 16 18:47:42 2008 by neverdem

LETTER FROM MOSCOW

The war in Georgia has provoked unprecedented levels of patriosm in Russia. The majority of the population supported their army's actions in the Caucasus. And even the fiercest critics of the Kremlin have now become proud Russians.

Members of the Kremlin-loyal youth organisation "Nashi" wave flags and hold a banner during a protest in front of the US embassy in Moscow during the Georgia war.


Hit, kicked and bruised: beatings at Russian women’s prison caught on video
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801291/posts

Russian Patriotism Unleashed by Georgian War
SPIEGEL ONLINE ^ | 10/15/2008 | Fred Weir

Posted on Thu Oct 16 18:47:42 2008 by neverdem

LETTER FROM MOSCOW

The war in Georgia has provoked unprecedented levels of patriosm in Russia. The majority of the population supported their army's actions in the Caucasus. And even the fiercest critics of the Kremlin have now become proud Russians.

Members of the Kremlin-loyal youth organisation "Nashi" wave flags and hold a banner during a protest in front of the US embassy in Moscow during the Georgia war.


Hit, kicked and bruised: beatings at Russian women’s prison caught on video
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801291/posts


35 posted on 02/19/2015 7:36:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: tcrlaf

What you call “propaganda” is an opinon article by Robert H. Scales. Former major general of US army.


36 posted on 02/20/2015 11:49:14 AM PST by Krosan
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