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70 years on, little known about the Wilhelm Gustloff sinking (deadliest ever shipwreck anniversary)
Deutsche Welle ^

Posted on 02/01/2015 2:57:53 AM PST by Paid_Russian_Troll

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To: rlmorel

After watching Schindler’s List last week I did some digging and found that some of the survivors said that many of the the Nazis guarding Schindler’s factories tended to treat the Jews fairly well.

Granted it was partly because Schindler was bribing the guards but it was just as much Schindler’s example they were following.


81 posted on 02/01/2015 8:57:54 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Hulka

“We are not uncivilized, immoral muslims. “

Did you ever consider the Civil War, whereby we were not so kind to POWs? How about carpet bombing entire cities or using nuclear weapons on cities in WWII? We killed millions of non-combatants in WWII. Try that today and the lawyers would call it a war crime.

I’ll say it again: War is Hell and it needs to be to help prevent wars by making them so undesirable by everyone.

Since we have made war a kinder-gentler civil procedure we seem to be having “wars” all over the place and for years and years. The US has become one of the world’s policemen. 1984: “We have always been at war with Eurasia.”


82 posted on 02/01/2015 9:00:28 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad

I’m just glad that ISIS is observing the rules of jihad...


83 posted on 02/01/2015 9:02:16 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Hulka; odds

IMHO it was you who brought Stalin’s atrocities at post #46 as if a number of his victims made any excuse for Nazi crimes.
It wasn’t odds who started with that reference or looking for fight.


84 posted on 02/01/2015 9:03:26 AM PST by Paid_Russian_Troll
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To: mowowie

Nice tribute, thanks.


85 posted on 02/01/2015 9:03:26 AM PST by Paid_Russian_Troll
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To: CodeToad

It was a necessity, particularly in Japan.

In the accounts by many people (one of them Louis Zamperini) who walked through the destroyed neighborhoods as a prisoner, he saw, the only upright objects poking through the ashes, industrial machinery.

War industry was a cottage industry in Japan, it was distributed throughout the civilian community even into their homes. I believe it was much the same in Germany.

Even apart from that, the Axis set the tone in the Thirties into the Forties with Rotterdam and Nanking. That was the treatment we could expect if we lost, so Queensbury Rules were not followed.

It was unrestricted war.


86 posted on 02/01/2015 9:06:00 AM PST by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: Hulka

“We are not barbarians. We are not uncivilized, immoral muslims. They act with deliberate, anti-Christian evil. We do not. . .and Christianity wrote the rules, not the enemy.”

Cherokee Trail of Tears.

Thousands of Cherokee Indians died in 1838 when the US government force marched 16,543 Indians hundreds of miles, and that death march resulted in about 4,000 deaths.

Don’t say we the US doesn’t do those things, we have, and with the Indians we even had a treaty we violated.


87 posted on 02/01/2015 9:07:48 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: rlmorel

“It was unrestricted war.”

And I totally agree with that. War should never be restricted in any way. Why would a belligerent refrain from war if it thinks it might get away with it somehow?


88 posted on 02/01/2015 9:10:11 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: rlmorel

“It was a necessity, particularly in Japan.”

I agree with that, too. War must be won by whatever means necessary. There is no such thing as a “fair fight” when it comes to war. You must fight to win and I don’t care if that means slaughtering every man, woman, and child the enemy has and leveling his entire country.


89 posted on 02/01/2015 9:11:55 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Hulka

“We are not barbarians. We are not uncivilized, immoral muslims. “

P.S. SIOP 1. I think you might know what that means.


90 posted on 02/01/2015 9:13:26 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: rlmorel
Even apart from that, the Axis set the tone in the Thirties into the Forties with Rotterdam and Nanking. That was the treatment we could expect if we lost, so Queensbury Rules were not followed.

It was unrestricted war.

It is an unfortunate fact of life; The aggressor sets the rules.

91 posted on 02/01/2015 9:15:08 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

I will say, we do seem bound and determined to ignore the message sent to us by militant Islam, though.


92 posted on 02/01/2015 9:19:05 AM PST by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: rlmorel

While the genocide against Christians in the mideast isn’t being conducted as an assembly line like the nazis, the genocide is no different in its result.


93 posted on 02/01/2015 9:23:58 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed. Isn’t it “interesting” that what is happening to them is unknown to most American, if not people around the world?


94 posted on 02/01/2015 9:26:19 AM PST by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: rlmorel

“I will say, we do seem bound and determined to ignore the message sent to us by militant Islam, though.”

Just had a thought about that: We know Obama is muslim and that he supports islam, but by ignoring the threat islam is our government officials are subjecting us to Islamic savagery. We are victims of savagery by our own government’s refusal to use our resources to protect us.


95 posted on 02/01/2015 9:26:34 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: cripplecreek
Funny no one has mentioned the firebombing of German and Japanese cities.

It's most likely the same crowd that didn't mention the bombing of Holland (a neutral country)and the bombing of London.

96 posted on 02/01/2015 9:50:08 AM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: kearnyirish2
You seem to be referring to a particular sinking off the coast of Jacksonville. As recounted by the Florida Museum of History:

"The most dramatic sinking in Florida waters took place the night of April 10, 1942, when U-123 torpedoed the tanker Gulfamerica off Jacksonville Beach. The resulting fiery explosion was clearly seen onshore and curious crowds gathered to view the ship's destruction and looked on in shock as the German submarine surfaced and fired its deck gun at the tanker. In response to the Gulfamerica sinking, in which nineteen crew members were lost, Governor Spessard Holland ordered a blackout of lights that could be seen at sea and might silhouette passing ships."

97 posted on 02/01/2015 10:25:23 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Thanks; I didn’t realize it was at night. Imagine seeing that off the beach?

Here in NJ (before my time) we had the burned hull of the “Morro Castle” beached off Asbury Park; I’ve seen a framed newspaper front page from the next day - absolutely bizarre!


98 posted on 02/01/2015 10:28:18 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2; All
One captured German's story: As Far As My Feet Will Carry Me
99 posted on 02/01/2015 11:51:26 AM PST by pa_dweller
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To: CodeToad

You are right. And we would be justified in returning the disfavor and ignoring the Geneva Convention when our enemies do not abide by it — especially when then neither abide by it nor are signatories to it.


100 posted on 02/01/2015 12:16:41 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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