Posted on 01/17/2015 4:05:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge
100,000,000 gallons manure per year / 11,000 cows = 9,090.91 gallons of manure per cow per year ...
9,090.91 gallons manure per cow per year / 365 days per year = 24.91 gallons per cow per day ...
Not 250 gallons
Survey says ... Believable
Thanks for the first hand experience Tex!
May you never be sued by Revel and his legal jackboots.
This is happening all over. The "Dead Zone" in the Gulf of Mexico is a good example. They had severe problems in a Great Lakes this past summer with algae blooms from nitrate and phosphate run-off and having to shut off peoples water. A few years ago Oklahoma sued Arkansas over the chicken shit run-off into the Illinois river
Gubmints(federal, State, and local) should get out of trying to destroy the businesses using these frivolous environwacko lawsuits. A business exists to maximize profit and shareholders’ wealth. Anything to the contrary is immoral and tyrannical.
“Go to hell!”
Who is the Commie leftist people hater now- Ha?
James Carville has more class than you.
Why yes they are. You see water does not respect boundaries. The liquid manure contaminates the water in an entire community. Nitrate is the most common contaminate. The Health department requires testing. The tests fail. Whoever has the well is screwed. A private restaurant with a drilled well- Screwed. Nitrate too high- Shut er down. Apartment complex- Business- Shut em all down so that the farmers can dump that crap en mass and ruin the water. But none of those businesses count as capitalist ventures to you do they? Screw those guys you say. And Screw all the private homes who don’t even have their water tested and have no idea what is now in it. A few dead infants from Blue Baby Syndrome. What the hell do you care!
Being ignorant yet calling everyone else ignorant is what so many of you live for.
I Love farmers. I love those that farm the way that farmers always did.. Taking care of the animals and taking care of the land because that was there livelihood. There are still farmers who do it right, but their numbers are dying and there farmland is being divided up.
The leftist Cornell that you cite has little to do
with the Cornell agricultural school.
I consider myself to be conservative in the true sense of the word.
I will never understand people who call themselves conservative and then use that as an excuse to not give a Crap about the environment in any way shape or form. Because doing so equate a person to extremest like Green peace or Peta types whom I can stand or even sometimes despise.
Being conservative means I don’t let the rest of you bully me for caring about something that can be proven to really mater. And you are deceptive when you say that you only want an environment that is normal, but no cleaner than normal. Because until factory farming came along there was no problem at all in most places even with dozens of farms within a few square miles. Hundreds of heads of cattle everywhere and no water contamination...And that was natural. There is nothing normal or natural about factory farming or the way it makes use of the land. It is a get rich quick scheme with no concern for the future.
My wife and I raise beef cattle but don't have a manure problem because we have a small herd of 20 on 25 acres. But the dairy next door to us collects their manure from the barn floors and dumps into lined pits where they mix it with water to make it soluble. They pump it into a tanker trunk and spread in over their hay pastures to fertilize their hay grass to increase the yield. They have 700 cows and it takes a lot of hay to feed them. Their ground water is tested regularly for seepage and contamination and have had no problems. Our well is tested by them too for adjacent contamination because they fertilize our hay pastures too. Manure is a by-product of any livestock business. People buy it for fertilizer for their gardens, lawns and flower beds.
“saying that nitrate run-off from the fields was polluting Des Moines water supply.”
Exactly...That is the contaminate that is monitored. THE FEDERAL SAFE WATER DRINKING ACT sets a maximum contaminant level. Any water system serving more than one family is considered a public water system and is subject to required Monthly and yearly testing. If any maximum contaminant level is exceeded then the water system can be shut down. Whatever business or complex associated with it shut down as well. It is very likely that the ground water near a factory farm will cause Nitrate to exceed safe levels. It happens all the time in places where for many years there never was a problem with contaminants from old fashioned farming. These same water systems never came close to exceeding maximum contaminate levels in the past. And elevated nitrate levels are also an indication that the water is probably contaminated with a lot of stuff that is not even part of normal testing. Factory farm animals are injected with more crap and eat more crap than most people know. The mad cow outbreaks where a result of factory farming. They were actually chopping up dead cows and feeding them to the other cows. Since they can graze then they feed them just about anything. One farm told me they fed them old stale chocolate that they bought in mass.
You are being over-dramatic, it actually boils down to who is paying to clean up the water before it can be consumed.
Another good example of this problem is Florida where the cattle, citrus, and sugar industry is responsible for most of the run-off pollution, and sugar is the worst of the 3.
So the local water supply agency(s), paid for by local taxes, has to clean up the water before it can be consumed. Any and all attempts to shift the cost back to the sugar industry were unsuccessful because big sugar donates huge sums of campaign money to members of the lege.
Back when Crist was guv, and FL had a surplus, the guv proposed that the state buy land from sugar, take it out of production, eliminating the run-off. Crunching the numbers showed that this solution was cheaper than continuing to force the cost onto water supply agencies(taxpayers).
I suggest you get better informed, because this is a an extensive problem all over the US and the world. We tend to focus on the carbon cycle, but the nutrient cycle or nitrogen cycle is also a problem, probably worse.
You can search the term run-off pollution aka non-point pollution.
There is also urban run-off pollution and it is not uncommon to see local governments imposing what is sometimes called a "rain tax" because the local govt has to also clean up this water.
The reality is that agribusiness generates run-off pollution by excessive fertilizing and many are paid well to allow feed lots, dairies, and poultry barns to dis-pose of their accumulated waste by spreading it on farm land or pasture land.
I still have a good memory back from college days(60s) when the paving contractor that worked for hauled cow manure from the stock yards to the golf course. Somebody had to operate the front-end loader to load the dump trucks with the manure. None of the white men or the Mexican men would do it, so they gave to job to the college boy, me. Never shovel shit in the wind, especially if you are using a front end shovel.
Shorter Revel: I’m the only one here who gives a crap about the environment and there is only one side the issue of factory farming.
Yeah, that’s a conservative talking.
You didn’t present any evidence that ‘proves’ this is measurable environmental issue or a pervasive problem. That varies from a conservative approach as well.
In contrast, tex above spoke to how clean the farm he worked at was.
It is clear how out of control the EPA and what a crooked game they play with enviro-nazies when they arrange a sue and settle lawsuits.
... EPA and other government agencies working with activist environmental groups to sue and settle on claims that afford leverage to enact new regulations which they lack statutory authority to otherwise accomplish.
I think you are an out of control troll who is wasting time here.
“...Any water system serving more than one family
is considered a public water system and
is subject to required Monthly and yearly testing...”
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Not true.
A simple google search would provide you all the evidence you need. But you are not interested in evidence as you have no personal experience to relate to it (unlike woodstoves). I am not going to waist my time posting “Evidence” that you could darn well get yourself because it is really pointless to talk evidence with a liberal.
Yep you’re a liberal troll.
I have frequently visited relatives that live within 5 miles of such farms. The concern we have with them is their staffing with illegal immigrants.
And like a liberal you attempt to make it my responsibility to do research rather than yours to present and convince me. And you miss or purposely evade the use by enviro-nazies of phony lawsuits to get large judicial awards. You approe of war on productive middle class Americans.
Your mis-spelling of ‘waste’ is evidence of your sloppy, disordered cognition, newbie. You are going to gain a lot of respect here with your tone and your earnest approach to dialog.
approve
Shall we go back and forth forever! Nope I don’t think so. Being as I am not the liberal then I get rather tired of it. Conversing with you is one of the most futile experiences a person could ever have. So long. I hope you get to see Obama soon.
Some Asian countries, as I understand, even use human waste on their crops.
http://www.cookingwithpoo.com/
“The daughter had a team of three mules pulling a “honey wagon”, while she broadcasted the stable manure in her bare feet.”
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Amish run industrial operations that produces and distribute waste by the ton?
No, they do not want the “us” that includes them to starve. They want the you and Is to starve. And they intend to do everything in their power to see that that happens. Meanwhile, they will live high on the hog. And it is no different from the Soviet Union under Stalin and Lenin. Or China under Mao, or Cuba under Castro. In all the mentioned, the peasants starved and died while the Government Bureaucrats [Party members] lived a life of luxury.
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