Posted on 01/03/2015 3:03:48 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Of course he doesn’t. This is anti-religious anti-Semitic propaganda. It never happened. Ambulances never have been stoned in Israel by religious Jews, or anymother kind.
On the kther hand, Jewish citizens have been wounded and murdered when their own cars have been stoned by Arabs while they are innocently driving in an utterly non-provocative fashion.
The “plague on both your houses” meme is a leftist strategy to confuse those who are marginally knowledgeable. Fortunately, too many FReepers are informed to permit this luing propaganda to gain traction here.
The consulate obviously was working with the police to some degree. If not, the police would not be standing up for them on this.
Secondly, we never asked Israel or western powers to help us get land back or to help facilitate this or anything else in any way back in the 40’s or in 1967.
Third, law enforcement and those working with them should not have people in Ferguson throwing bottles and rocks at them - this is unacceptable behavior.
Nor should Israeli's be brandishing clubs to use against these people over in Israel or throwing objects at them when they are investigating claims. That is a mob mentality - and it is unacceptable everywhere - and the defense of “they shouldn't have been there in the first place won't cut it.”
Or will we have one mentality regarding how we want law enforcement and those working with them to be treated in this country and turn around and say that that law enforcement and those working with them can be treated another way in Israel. That is not a reasonable, rational nor logical approach.
We must hold Palestinians, Israeli and American citizens to the same standards.
Do you have any proof for that assertion?
Secondly, will you carry that to its logical conclusion and say that theses weren’t really Israeli settlers that were stoning others but Palestinians dressing up like them?
Look at what I said in post #42. It explains where I stand.
Obviously the police and the consulate were working hand-in-hand and the police, the Palestinian witnesses and the US consulate all agree on what transpired.
There needs to be respect for the police and the US Consulate working together on this. It was unacceptable for those Ferguson protesters who threw objects and vandalized buildings to do what they did. And this behavior by these Israeli’s in also unacceptable. And the defense that some posit that “The y shouldn’t have been there in the first place” would not fly in the US among law enforcement as a reason for them to try and stone them.
I certainly don’t think that anyone on one side should have an attitude of “Kneel before Zod,” but you can’t try to stone others, either - and that goes for Palestinians and Israeli’s.
Did any law enforcement die from bottles being thrown at them in Ferguson? No, but that still didn’t make it right to throw bottles at the police officers in Ferguson.
OTOH, as I am always seeking to balance things out, I didn’t agree with law enforcement coming into Ferguson detailed like they got confused and thought they were in Afghanistan and taking on al-Qaeda.
No law enforcement officials or those working with them should have an attitude of “Kneel before Zod” and it doesn’t look like they had that attitude here in this situation, but citizens have to uphold their side of the bargain, too, and not try to stone people.
Same rules for Palestinians, too - don’t throw rocks at Israeli police. No terrorism/vandalism from either side against the other, and both sides agree to keep their word on the 1967 accord.
Will you believe the cops when and where you want to and take one stance when it is protesters in the US and Israelis in another??? In some situations I lean toward believing police accounts, and some times I don’t. (On Ferguson I lean towards believing the police, but in the shooting of Tamir Rice I don’t). And sometimes I agree with how police and those working with them handle things, but with Eric Garner I didn’t. But never would I support throwing rocks at our consular officials or at the police in Ferguson. Never would I support either of them, nor give any defense that would support either in any situation, nor try to come up with some instance where it would be acceptable.
Would you say that people in Ferguson can use whatever excuse they want to throw bottles and objects at police, and then turn around and would you turn around and say the opposite here in this situation?
That is the most ridiculous post of the year.
If people were pointing sniper rifles at law enforcement near Cliven Bundy’s ranch, or even if it wasn’t that but was some sort of quasi-law enforcement people working with the local police or if it were other people, and even if there was no coordination with local public safety, etcetera, would that make it right to do that?
They were accused of pointing an M-16, but that is untrue according to this news report.
I don’t have time for the last third of your post as it is all conspiracy theory...
Ultra persecution by some Muslims against some Jews doesn’t make lesser forms of persecution against Messianic Jews in Israel acceptable.
“Obviously the police and the consulate were working hand-in-hand and the police, the Palestinian witnesses and the US consulate all agree on what transpired.”
As I say, I’m skeptical, because they might all three, the US consular people, the police and the palis, have a common agenda, to make allegations against the ‘settlers’ and they may have colluded. The police here often are adversarial to the ‘settlers’ and the incident might be fabricated. Then again, maybe not. Technically, I’m a settler, too. There are hot heads among ‘settlers’ who might do something like this, but mostly they are not so, and there are also fabricated incidents, Palis sabotaging their own olive trees, film being edited by NGOs, and the US is not above chicanery like this, either. I am skeptical of both sides’ stories.
PA Police Operate in Israeli Town | 10/17/2011 | Palestinian Authority Arabs showed up at the Jewish village of Adei Ad on Monday to harvest olives -- olives from trees that were planted and nurtured by local Jewish farmers. The PA group was accompanied by PA police, who stood watch as the harvesters gathered Adei Ad's produce. Residents of Adei Ad explained that the trees were planted years ago, and that PA Arabs recently filed a claim for ownership, arguing that an Arab family owns the land the trees were planted on. Local Jews say the claim of land ownership is false.
not good form on the settlers part if they were clearly marked as diplomatic persons. However driving cars into Haredi areas late Friday can result in a rock or two.
No Israeli police or IDF was notified in advance. And we did not help the Israelis take the west bank. They did that in the 67 war.
And no, I do not draw any sort of equivalence between the Israelis and the so called “Palestinians”.
But you sure seem to be hot to stand up for the Koranimals.
Interesting. Not often we see conservatives on the side of the PLO.
For Bonus points, why are American personnel armed in Israel? If that was needed, then what is actually called for is IDF or police going with them.
“The US must not be against Israel nor against the Palestinians. “
I see no reason whatsoever that we should not be against the Palestinians. They are the cause of all the problems Israel. Don’t you agree?
“not good form on the settlers part if they were clearly marked as diplomatic persons.”
Governments must observe certain practices when dealing with a diplomat. Regular people, not so much. IE,, diplomat provokes a fight. The local cop cannot arrest him. But the local guy in the bar can undiplomatically beat his ass up.
“Have a source showing these Jews stoned ambulances on the Sabbat? You don’t know wth you are whining about. Get your your brain unwashed before your jihadi pals get bored with your help.”
Sabbath is the English word you’re looking for, or Shabbat/Shabbos if you’re aiming for a more phonetic representation of Hebrew or Yiddish respectively, not Sabbat. You should be careful with your insults, when you don’t know what you’re whining about.
Just an FYI, From Merriam-Webster’s dictionary:
Definition of SABBAT
1
: witches’ sabbath
2
: any of eight neo-pagan religious festivals commemorating phases of the changing seasons
As for citations, there are numerous. How about Hareetz, Times of Israel, Associated Press and the like?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/hundreds-of-jews-hurl-rocks-at-cars-in-jerusalem-1.466873
http://www.timesofisrael.com/unmodest-women-gets-stoned-in-beit-shemesh/
“Each time a car passed by, even if it had a sticker saying ‘in hospital service,’ they tossed rocks at it...”
Now, even the strictest accepted interpretations of Rabbinical law accept that Sabbath restrictions do not apply in cases of life-threatening emergencies, and that ambulances and other essential emergency vehicles should be allowed to function to an extent during the Sabbath and during other holy days, however many of the ultra-orthodox Haredi communities in Israel have been clashing with other Israelis over the issue of Sabbath traffic regardless, and in many instances haven’t bothered to exercise that level of basic distinction.
Yes Virginia, there are some ultra-orthodox nutballs that have been known to stone ambulances for having the gall to be out on a holy day, and yes it’s a major source of friction between normal, sane Israelis and some of the fringe elements in Israel. These are also often some of the same ultra-orthodox nutballs that like to set up squatter communities on other people’s land.
Now, kindly take your ignorance and baseless condescension elsewhere... well, at least until you figure out the difference between a sabbat and the Sabbath. Dissembling, spreading ignorance about very real sources of conflict between Israelis and between Israel and her neighbors, and outright lying does NOTHING but further exacerbate the bloodshed and destruction in the Middle East, so I’d ask you in your words to get your “brain unwashed” before you bother lecturing people about topics you’re uninformed about.
There is no so-called “palestine”, but for the Roman appellation. Nor are there any so-called “palestinians” but for various conglomerations of predominantly islamist arabs which Israel, for whatever God-forsaken reason, has decided it must put-up with.
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