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EXCLUSIVE: Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina
Sunday Express, UK ^ | December 28, 2014 | MARCO GIANNANGELI

Posted on 12/27/2014 8:26:19 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: grania
I thought I read somewhere that Argentina finally cut off dependence from nation-sucking big banks.

You have that in reverse.

21 posted on 12/28/2014 6:32:16 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I LOVE IT when people tell me that Russia and China are not threats to our interests...as they continue to sweep up countries that were once friends with us (or at least neutral).


22 posted on 12/28/2014 8:09:41 AM PST by BobL (I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
They don’t look much of a match against Euro fighters,

Yeah, the four Tiffies on the Falklands would pretty much eat the Su-24s for breakfast. Then the RN would respond by peppering a few Argie targets with submarine-launched Tomahawks. I think using those nifty carbon-filament warheads to drop the Buenos Aires power grid for a couple/few days would send a nice message.

What the Brits should do is deploy their Sea King AEW helos to the Falklands to provide better-range AEW&C for the Tiffies. Give them a lot more response time and allow them to engage inbound Argie sorties while they're much further out. Without a real carrier the Sea Kings aren't going to much use anyways.
23 posted on 12/28/2014 8:23:16 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Yo-Yo
Ha! May as well ask them to bring back their Lancaster bombers as well.

Probably even that would be an improvement. I think their Lincoln bomber (developed from the Lancaster) was nuclear capable although I've heard stories where we tried to bum a Lancaster or three to carry the A-Bombs to Japan. Heck, we still use the B-52 of that same vintage. BTW, it seems like the Russians want a war not only with us but the UK as well.
24 posted on 12/28/2014 2:37:15 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Seaplaner

Wouldn’t surprise me. Universal Healthcare is really not a bad idea but terrible in execution. I think the Brits really felt good hearted in having it but it evolved into a huge monstrosity. I think we should find ways to take care of people so they do not have to worry about money to go to the doctors and so on but not make it so where we have rationed care and have it eat up other programs to the detriment of our defense and country. I can see if they wanted to target people who really need it but to provide it for everyone is a huge mistake.


25 posted on 12/28/2014 2:42:28 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: tanknetter

The only point in Helicopter AEW is when you don’t have a proper carrier/airstrip to launch a proper AEW aircraft. The E3D Sentries can do a much better job of that from RAF Mt Pleasant.


26 posted on 12/28/2014 2:44:52 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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The only point in Helicopter AEW is when you don’t have a proper carrier/airstrip to launch a proper AEW aircraft. The E3D Sentries can do a much better job of that from RAF Mt Pleasant.

True. But given some of the prodding Russia's been doing in the North Sea area it's better to keep the Sentries up North. RAF only has what? Six operational? How many would be needed to maintain decent coverage of the Falklands? I'm guessing at least three.

The Sea Kings are available and "good enough" to provide coverage of the Falklands.
27 posted on 12/28/2014 4:31:51 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Nowhere Man
although I've heard stories where we tried to bum a Lancaster or three to carry the A-Bombs to Japan.

Yes, that's true. The early gun-style A-bomb design (called "Thin Man") was too long to fit into a B-29 bomb bay. The B-29 had two bomb bays, and cutting the airframe apart to merge them was a big engineering problem given that the mid-fuselage wing spar sat in the area between them.

The Lanc had a very long (but shallow) bomb bay, where length wouldn't be an issue. There were other engineering challenges, but the aircraft was seriously looked at as a launch platform.

However the eventual gun-style design ("Little Boy") was short enough for the B-29. At that point the inquiries into using Lancasters were dropped.
28 posted on 12/28/2014 4:39:05 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: yarddog

“I actually think Argentina has some reasonable claim to the islands but since the citizens living there want to remain British, that should be the deciding factor.”

Argentine has never had a lawful claim of possession on the Falkland Islands. Argentina’s pretended claim of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands are based upon false claims of succession from Spanish and French claims on the islands, which France and Spain abandoned and/or negotiated away in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

The Argentine claim of succession is based upon a false and fraudulent claim that an Argentine government succeeded in the possession of the Falkland islands through the Spanish Viceroyalty. In historical fact however, the Spanish territorial claim on the Falkland Islands had already been transferred away from the viceroyalty in South America directly to the Royal Government and the department for the Spanish Navy in Madrid. This was years before the revolution in the future Argentine occurred.

Furthermore, Argentina formally relinquished any and all of its pretended claims of sovereignty over the Falklands Islands in two separate treaties between Argentina and Great Britain in the 19th Century.

The French claim of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was based solely upon a claim of prior occupancy. The French claim was defective in at least two respects. The British had a public and well known prior claim of sovereignty on the Falkland Islands by right of discovery. The French claim was based on the principal that actual occupancy superseded Britain’s right of discovery. Unfortunately, the French claim failed in part by occupying only the East Falklands while the British only very shortly afterwards also occupied the Western Falklands while each remained ignorant of the presence of the other in the Falklands for a significant period of time.

While the French and the British were trying to determine which of the British claim by right of discovery, the French claim by right of occupancy of the East Falklands, and the British occupation of the West Falklands would prevail in determining sovereignty of part or all of the Falklands, the Spanish stepped into the controversy with its claim by right of the Treaty of Tordesillas. Although the French did not recognize the treaty to have any authority except between Spain and Portugal, France decided it would nevertheless relinquish the French colony in the Falkland Islands to Spain by purchase. The Treaty of Tordesillas was not binding upon Britain either, so the Franco-Spanish transfer of claims had no effect upon the British claim of sovereignty.

This disputed French claim of sovereignty by right of occupancy was then assumed by Spain and transferred from the viceroyalty responsible for much of South America to the Royal department responsible for the Spanish Navy. It was then up to the British and Spanish governments to settle the disputed claims of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands between themselves. Spain later abandoned its colony and settled disputed claims of sovereignty by treaty, leaving Britain as the sole remaining claimant by right of discovery and by right of occupancy.

When these events were taking place and establishing Britain as the sole remaining claimant of sovereignty over all of the Falkland Islands remaining, Argentina did not exist as a sovereign nation recognized by international law. So, Britain re-occupied the Falkland islands before a sovereign government of Argentina ever came into existence to make a pretended claim of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Finally, Argentina is also claiming sovereignty over Britain’s South Georgia Islands, and there is no lawful basis for such a claim by Argentina under any pretended theory whatsoever; certainly not by right of discovery or right of occupation.

Argentina’s obligations under prior treaties with Britain, the Kellogg-Briand Treaty of 1928, and the Charter of the United Nations forbid Argentina’s hostile claims of sovereignty over the British territories, their invasion, or their occupation by Argentina. In short, Argentina’s criminally fraudulent claims of sovereignty are totally without substance and totally contrary to the evidence and reason.


29 posted on 12/28/2014 5:27:56 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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30 posted on 12/28/2014 5:38:16 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Television: Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover)
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To: WhiskeyX

Thanks for that info. It sounds like Argentina has no claim at all.


31 posted on 12/28/2014 5:51:28 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: tanknetter

I looked up the stats and I think if we used the Lancaster, we might have to add some fuel tanks to extend the range since it only had a 2500 mile range.


32 posted on 12/28/2014 6:40:05 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Nowhere Man
I looked up the stats and I think if we used the Lancaster, we might have to add some fuel tanks to extend the range since it only had a 2500 mile range

Or


33 posted on 12/28/2014 7:34:10 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Television: Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover)
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To: Nowhere Man
Universal Healthcare is really not a bad idea but terrible in execution.

Respectfully, my FRiend, I do not agree.

Socialized anything leads to instant shortages, contempt for customers, graft, and in the case of ACA, "death panels", although they might be named more euphemistically.

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34 posted on 12/28/2014 10:01:37 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: tanknetter

The Su-24 is not a fighter, although it can carry short range infra-red missiles. But that is a moot point unless the British have AEW flying and at least 12 Typhoons with some airborne. If these Su-24M Fencer D carry KH-59 cruise missle with a 110km range and AS-11 and AS-12 anti-radiation missile, then they could take out the air field and anti-aircraft missiles in one sortie. A few KH31A anti-ship missiles will take out whatever surface ship the British have. All that would remain is the British sub fleet, which can slow down or possibly stop a full naval invasion, but are vulnerable to ASW and can do nothing to stop paratroopers backed up by merchant ships carrying marines and supplies. I’m assuming certain weapons are sold, and a relatively high degree of competence and deployment ability for the Argentinians. In so far as the former flagship of their navy recently sunk in harbor from neglect, I don’t see an invasion any time soon. But those gas fields are tempting.


35 posted on 12/30/2014 12:10:17 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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