Posted on 12/03/2014 8:58:20 PM PST by TigerClaws
He could breathe.
right up until the point he couldn't
Doesn't matter what you agree with. You have no say.
Fact is ya better comply and obey all commands from those in government. That way you can be safe.
In our system, that's who counts. At least in this case, as was said earlier, in NY they needed 12 out of 23 and couldn't get it, 8 of the 23 were black BTW. Sometime people actually do their jobs and the outcome isn't always obvious.
“Frankly I could care less if they’re banned or not....when you mess with the police by taunting and resisting arrest you’re leaving yourself wide open for what happens thereafter and responsibility for.”
Well, then why even bother trying to handcuff and detain people, when we can just let the cops shoot anyone would won’t immediately prostrate themselves?
“In our system, that’s who counts.”
Yes, but it is still only an opinion, and the poster I was replying to was stating it as if it were an indisputable fact. That was the point of my post.
Yep..that would be fine with me...might get the criminal element under control if they know they’re going to get shot first and asked questions later.
His family will have a strong civil suite, they will be millionares.
Agree. Once I connected the GJ verdict with the actual case, I was shocked. This was pretty clear cut abuse of power and police brutality. The timing couldn’t be worse.
Where before, the Brown family had no legitimate leg to stand on, now they do. Period.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on NYC. At least they can’t make it a conservative conspiracy. The NYC is back to being a complete liberal cesspool again.
I agree. This is completely different with Ferguson.
First, why are the police even enforcing cigarette taxes? That stupid tax and using police to enforce is the root cause.
Second, the officers violated their own department’s procedures and had full control over the man yet continued to push and use full force on him. Never once did he swing at an officer or post any real threat to them. No punches kicks or even threats of doing so.
I agree it was unintentional manslaughter. Was gross negligence by the police here.
This could be anyone in this guy’s shoes who, say, has a drink or two walking down the sidewalk and smarts off to a cop. One officer was fired this year after choking some college kid during an arrest because someone had a phone camera out. People have been arrested merely for filming cops in public places.
I think the state and its actors should be restrained by our laws, not given unlimited powers of life and death.
Or you could get mad at the police over real things like throwing flashbangs into babies cribs instead of fake outrage over morbidly obese career criminals that drop dead while resisting.
A person who is having "difficulty breathing" will tell you "I can't breathe" when in fact, they are breathing, just not well. A person who is "not breathing" is not speaking. Period. They are unconscious and generally require immediate mouth to mouth resuscitation or bag mask ventilation and/or CPR to prevent brain damage and death.
Garner resisted arrest. He shouldn't have done that if he wasn't prepared for the consequences. It isn't obvious to me that the cop with his arm around Garner's neck choked him to death however. Garner was talking until he went down and then the pack fell on him. There were a lot of police hands on him once he hit the ground and he was still talking at that point and the choke was released. After the choke was released, Garner developed difficulty breathing and said as much like 11 times.
As an ER nurse, I would have been taking his complaint very seriously at that point. I would have called a code blue in fact. The cops left him laying on the ground however, unconscious and not breathing and did not perform immediate CPR. The ambulance arrived and the coroner said he had a myocardial infarction en route to the hospital in the ambulance. That's probably BS IMO. He dies on the side walk. He may have died from a heart attack but it wasn't in the back of the ambulance, it was on the sidewalk shortly after the take down maneuver.
This is what it looks like to me.
New York takes there tax laws very seriously apparently. God help you if you miss a toll in Chicago.
That's what he's saying. There's a category for involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide that may apply here.
A lot of civilians get sent away for things they didn't intend to make happen.
Oh ya mean the event where the government in Georgia threw and explosive through a window into some baby’s face and the suspect wasn’t even home?
The same incident where they didn’t indict the government agents responsible and then the government declined to pay for all the damages?
Looken sharp America....
I suppose but in our system, it's the only opinion that matters and legally the fact. I guess civilly it could be different and that would be a different opinion. When someone is convicted of a crime in a trial that is also an opinion in the sense you are referring to, but again in our system it's the only one that counts.
It was a choke hold, but not a “choke, choke” hold.
Can’t believe no one beat me to it. :)
He DID NOT die of asphyxiation.
Catch up.
Well, at least you are honest.
“”There’s a category for involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide that may apply here.””
I don’t want to second guess the grand jurors because I haven’t read all of the evidence that they had. I just think Charles is being irresponsible right now.
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