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The Overlooked Irony of Jonathan Gruber's Candid Statements
Freeper Editorial | 11/18/2014 | Self

Posted on 11/18/2014 7:24:31 PM PST by T Ruth

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1 posted on 11/18/2014 7:24:31 PM PST by T Ruth
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To: T Ruth

some were stupid to truly believe them.

others were such newbies they were just naive/ignorant and believed them.

others were simply misled by diect lies, and believed them.

others wanted to believe what they suspected/knew were lies, hoping they would somehow work out.

then there was the rest of us who knew it as soon as it cameout of their mouths.


2 posted on 11/18/2014 7:29:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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3 posted on 11/18/2014 7:30:00 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: T Ruth

Well said.


4 posted on 11/18/2014 7:42:38 PM PST by expat2
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.... Even the average Democrat voter is not stupid .....

I beg to differ. There isn’t a single stance taken by the democrat party that can stand even a whiff of scrutiny. Have you debated a liberal lately?


5 posted on 11/18/2014 7:48:18 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: expat2

Thanks.


6 posted on 11/18/2014 7:54:21 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Have you debated a liberal lately?

I agree that one cannot carry on a rational discourse with liberals, but if I want to use language correctly, it is not (in most cases) because they are stupid. Rather, it is because they are ignorant and depraved.

7 posted on 11/18/2014 7:58:37 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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bump


8 posted on 11/18/2014 7:59:28 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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I admit I’m taking a very narrow view, but I judge liberals based on one of my sisters. It is impossible to even engage in the most simple debate with her because she either defaults to a bizarre Koch Brothers rant or denies that facts are facts. Democrats have been so throughly gruberized that facts, logic, and common sense do not matter.

Think about it. Harry Reid stood on the Senate floor (immunity) and said a little fairy told him Mitt Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years. No proof. Nothing. Democrats, including my sister, believed that as if gospel. Not even a whiff of scrutiny.

I’m not saying you have to be stupid to be a liberal, but it sure helps. This is only directed at rank and file gruberized liberals. The professional liberals are evil not stupid.


9 posted on 11/18/2014 8:08:49 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Your #9: Agreed.


10 posted on 11/18/2014 8:16:03 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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Our constitution is almost done absorbing and passing the Baby Boomer phenomenon, which has ruled every major action the US grubermint has undertaken since 1940.

You can gaze upon the high-water marks the Boomer generation has had on every American industry... now it’s medicine’s turn.


11 posted on 11/18/2014 8:18:50 PM PST by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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“Our constitution is almost done absorbing and passing the Baby Boomer phenomenon, which has ruled every major action the US grubermint has undertaken since 1940.”

I think you might mean 1945.

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12 posted on 11/18/2014 8:21:00 PM PST by Mears
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Not a single Republican senator or Congressman voted in favor of that monstrosity called Obamacare. It must be make perfectly clear that democrat Phd com man Gruber, called stupid not all the American voters, but just the democrat voters that put the “Liar in Chief” in the White House, in spite of his Marxist anti-American back ground, and all the Democrats legislators co-conspirators with the president and the MSM in the greatest deception against the American people in the history of the United States.

According to Obama, the MTI professor, a frequent visitor to the White House, was just an adviser. For his “invaluable advise and services” to the Obama administration professor Gruber received over 5.9 million dollars... Stupidity to the to nth power.


13 posted on 11/18/2014 8:24:32 PM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo)
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“what they really exploited was the dishonesty of the monolithic leftist press”.

Monolithic leftist press describes it aptly but I like to call it the Obama Lapdog Media.


14 posted on 11/18/2014 8:27:04 PM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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Exactly right. And anyone paying attention at the time KNEW that Obamacare was a con job. We knew it. Said so. Documented our concerns. And nobody listened. The advocate media failed.

Gruber changes the calculus. The informed were right. The “stupid” got conned. What happens next will determine if our republic is sustainable.


15 posted on 11/18/2014 8:33:48 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Jonah Vark
Obama Lapdog Media

It's a more colorful label, but still accurate.

16 posted on 11/18/2014 8:36:51 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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To: Mears

The very first Baby Boomer did not turn 21 until 1967 (1946 + 21). The voting age was lowered from 21 to 18 in 1971.


17 posted on 11/18/2014 8:44:27 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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Liberals want to believe the lies. And the DNC is only too happy to keep providing them.


18 posted on 11/18/2014 9:18:37 PM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Secret Agent Man

We keep talking about the stupidity of the American people... The American People knew. They elected a Republican Senator in Massachusetts for crying out loud. This thing was passed by dishonest politicians making bribes, breaking rules. This thing can be clearly laid at the Democrat’s feet.


19 posted on 11/19/2014 6:03:08 AM PST by rocketmag
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and there are the ones who wanted their FREE healthcare.


20 posted on 11/19/2014 7:43:20 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Worst 8 years ever, First Affirmative Action President, I hope those who did this to us SUFFER MOST!)
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