Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

America’s Newest Destroyer Is Already Outdated
The Diplomat ^ | November 07, 2014 | James R. Holmes

Posted on 11/07/2014 3:48:38 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last
To: sukhoi-30mki

And it is unarmored. These things won’t survive combat. They are suited for anti piracy ops and nothing more, a task which seems to be less important now as more traditional ships and multinational participation seems to have got that problem down to its old desultory level.


21 posted on 11/07/2014 6:29:54 AM PST by arthurus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HartleyMBaldwin

Concure. My only concern is the low manning making it hard to do damage control. If you look at the Stark and the Roberts, neither of them should have survived the hits they took. The difference was damage control.


22 posted on 11/07/2014 6:32:10 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: arderkrag

Yup. Where did all those Zulu warriors with spears come from?


23 posted on 11/07/2014 6:39:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

The Germans had a terrible problem with military technology in WWII. Their scientists were continually developing new models, upgrades, add-ons, this, that and the other to their weapons, and then fielding them. It caused chaos.

Everything from small arms to heavy tanks, all incompatible with each other, were sent to the fronts, guaranteeing there would never be enough ammo, and that the loss of a single major weapons system would be a disaster.

The pinnacle of this over-design was likely the “Elefant” heavy tank destroyer, that was so overloaded with gizmos that by the end of the war it was almost immobile. Since then it is still remembered for its over-design, and total reliance on theoretical quality instead of quantity.

But the extreme of this was when German scientists were asked to develop the perfect artillery cannon, which on paper would have likely been the best artillery piece ever created. Unfortunately, it needed to be made with a tungsten alloy, needing more tungsten for a single tube than the known world reserves of tungsten at the time.


24 posted on 11/07/2014 6:44:46 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hammer

He sort of lost my credibility when he disparagingly compared the hull shape to the Union’s Monitor. It more resembles the Confederate CSS Virginia. The writer apparently has trouble with naval history and the modern concept of radar signature reduction. His points regarding whether the ship is suitable for use against its probable opponents may be valid, but with multiple cruise missile launchers, a VTOL platform, and a pair of 155 mm (6”) guns the ship looks pretty capable of defending herself and inflicting damage. Its cost may be the biggest issue.


25 posted on 11/07/2014 7:24:58 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Your point reminded me of some business I used to do in the Middle East. My company was selling portable steam and pressure washers that were being used out in the desert on the oil rigs. The design was simple, robust, more or less idiot proof, and had been around largely unchanged for at least twenty years. Our chief competition was a German manufacturer who made machines beautifully designed so that the operator could fine tune everything specific to his purpose.

When I asked our dealer why he was succeeding so well against the cheaper and more advanced and aesthetically modern German machines (this was back in the Reagan days when the Dollar was hugely strong against the D-Mark and we were at a major cost disadvantage) he said our machines would last and do the job but when the Pakistanis and other uneducated oilfield laborers got hold of the German machines they would start playing with all the buttons and dials and ruin it in hours. And the design was so complicated that the service engineers (also Pakis and worse) were hopeless in making repairs. Rugged, reliably, and simple enough for an illiterate peasant to fix served the Russians well in WWII and as my story may illustrate Germans can find it hard to change habits.

26 posted on 11/07/2014 7:47:19 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hammer

That is what low radar cross section is all about.


27 posted on 11/07/2014 7:47:19 AM PST by Pecos (That government governs best which governs least.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Clean_Sweep

How many of those buildings were hit by enemy shells and missiles? Shipboard battle damage control involves a great deal more than just extinguishing the fires. Holes need to be patched. Power needs to be restored. Flooded compartments need to be dewatered.


28 posted on 11/07/2014 7:58:50 AM PST by Bob (Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Pecos

My understanding of the ‘stealth’ aircraft is that they’re all but invisible to radar.

Is it possible to make ships like that, or will you always get more radar ‘ping’ with ships?


29 posted on 11/07/2014 12:29:31 PM PST by Jack Hammer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: ryan71

You’re right; I have since looked at a picture of the Virginia. In any case, the Monitor sure didn’t have any sort of tumblehome, as claimed by the author.


30 posted on 11/08/2014 4:13:34 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hammer

For ships, it’s all about angles. Look at some close up pics of an Arleigh Burke DDG. They’ve replaced round and flat structures with diamond and angled structures, even down to side rails, cleats, capstans, masts and gun turrets. this does not make ships invisible to radar. It reduces their RCS (radar cross section)so they might not be detected at longer distances and they might be mistaken for smaller vessels. The Burkes also have a system to reduce heat/infrared signature from exhaust stacks. Noise reductions under water...that’s touchy.


31 posted on 11/08/2014 12:08:15 PM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ryan71

Fascinating; thank you.


32 posted on 11/08/2014 10:39:42 PM PST by Jack Hammer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hammer

Everything, including stealth aircraft, can be found if you use the right technology. You may remember that one of our F-117’s was shot down during Clinton’s Balkan war. The intent of any low-observable technology is to allow your aircraft/ship/personnel to get inside the line that the enemy thinks he controls. When your assets are in that position, the enemy has less time and opportunity to defeat them. Putting things in a more conventional framework, when we stealthily put specops teams behind enemy lines, we are essentially doing the same thing. The first inkling that the enemy knows they are there is when things start blowing up.


33 posted on 11/10/2014 3:41:03 AM PST by Pecos (That government governs best which governs least.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: katana

They still have he same tendencies today given what I think I know about German cars. I still like German cars, but you have to have the right mindset about it, and be willing to put up with reliability quirks for the handling at speed. I see them as reliable Italian cars.


34 posted on 11/10/2014 4:05:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson