Is it time for Mississippi conservatives to teach the GOPe a lesson and vote for Travis Childers?

Red State ^ | 9/30/14 | gawken

[VanDeKoik]

*facepalm*

That is an absurd premise, and mearly is an attempt at a tangent to avoid answering my original question.

If you think you can win elections by praying and spouting platitudes, and nothing else, then just say so.

[CharleysPride]

All over but the shouting..

[VanDeKoik]

By the GOPe and the Democrats, you most certainly have to be.

If being nice is a priority, then politics is not where you want to be because you are going to get stomped and deservingly so.

[SZonian]

whoosh!

I don’t give a rip about being “nice” with the Rats or GOPe...

[Fantasywriter]

‘They deceive themselves and delight in being deceived that if the GOP ‘wins’ that this entire transformative agenda can be stopped, even when the GOP leadership has told us in advance that they are going to surrender power to the Democrats and fund Obama’s agenda.’

And there you have it. Even now, when the GOPe needs our votes, our enthusiasm, our money, time, energy & commitment, they still have not the slightest compunction in telling us that once in power, they will kowtow to Obama. One or two are saying they will resist his executive order amnesty. But apart from that, what have we been promised? A repeal of Obamacare?

Hell no; the GOPe likes it as much as Obama does.

A meaningful and lasting fix for voter fraud?

Not even one single promise on this issue. None.

A secured southern border?

We get a little lip service, but nobody really believes the southern border will be sealed at all, much less sealed pre-comprehensive immigration reform.

A balanced budget?

They don’t even try to fool us any more. Both parties have become spendaholics, and neither sees a problem with it.

Trying, but I can’t think of a single solid, serious and trenchant promise the GOPe has made to us. McConnell declared war on the Tea Party—a war he no doubt intends to prosecute & win. But as for pro-base/conservative promises, I can’t think of a single one.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

So this all justifies voting for Childers to the US Senate?

Is this the logic behind that?

I have never voted for a Democrat for high office. Ever.

And I’m not going to start now.

While I live in CA, I would not recommend it in MS or KY or any other state.

RR made the mistake of signing Simpson-Mazzoli into law legalizing millions of illegals. I did not support that law. But I always supported RR.

[Alas Babylon!]

This is ridiculous because first of all, unless you are from Mississippi, this isn't your fight.

And secondly, Real Clear Politics have this as a walk for Cochran.

Polling Data

Poll	Date	Sample	MoE	Cochran (R)	Childers (D)	Spread
RCP Average	6/25 - 10/23	--	--	45.7	29.3	Cochran +16.4
CBS News/NYT/YouGov	10/16 - 10/23	654 LV	7.0	50	28	Cochran +22
CBS News/NYT/YouGov	9/20 - 10/1	826 LV	4.0	46	35	Cochran +11
CBS News/NYT/YouGov	8/18 - 9/2	976 LV	4.0	46	31	Cochran +15
CBS News/NYT/YouGov	7/5 - 7/24	LV	5.7	47	33	Cochran +14
PPP (D)	7/10 - 7/13	691 RV	3.7	41	26	Cochran +15
Rasmussen Reports	6/25 - 6/26	750 LV	4.0	46	34	Cochran +12
Rasmussen Reports	3/26 - 3/29	750 LV	4.0	48	31	Cochran +17
PPP (D)	11/15 - 11/17	502 RV	4.4	50	33	Cochran +17

Childers will not win. I'll gladly take bets!

[Fantasywriter]

You are very remarkable for a conservative. I.e.: you think like a liberal.

Let me explain. Conservatives are very good at thinking like conservatives, but, as actual tests/experiments have shown, we can also think like liberals. It doesn’t mean we can become liberals. It means we can see inside the workings of their brains, and we know what makes them tick. We have no end of fun with it. Many of our parodies, sarcasms & other amusements derive from us ascribing (accurate) thoughts to liberals, & then laughing about it.

You, by contrast, can see no POV but your own. You wear blinders & see within a tight, narrow stricture. In your POV, you are one-hundred percent right, while others are one-hundred percent wrong. All merit, morality, justness & righteousness resides in your view. Differing views are simply and wholly wrong.

I have no doubt you harbor conservative convictions. That is good. But the *way* you harbor them would make you a very good liberal, in terms of your manner of judging both yourself and others. The, ‘I am totally justified and you are totally unjustified’ is the liberal POV to its depths.

[& I don’t, btw, mean this on core issues, such as small government, Constitutional/non-activist judges, first & second amendments rights, anti-abortion, etc. I mean it in areas where good conservatives can & do disagree, such as election tactics. It is in these areas that your, ‘I’m one-hundred percent right & you’re one-hundred percent wrong’ liberal-esque POV comes to the fore.]

[arthurus]

It justifies not voting for the gope. Voting for the gope is not justified by anything beyond a desire to maintain the status quo and let the Democrats have free rein. If all the gopes could be flushed out the minority Conservative rump would do more good for America than any level of a majority run by the gopes because it would demonstrate that GOPe is DEAD and there is actually an opposition to the Bolsheviki.

[INVAR]

So.....what should I do a week from today? 1) Toss my vote away on third party candidates? 2) Vote Dem? 3) Stay at home? What are my alternatives?

You do whatever you think you need to do. I'm not going to insult you and belittle you as you have Conservatives who will not betray their principles to vote for the Ruling Class stooge for the GOP Establishment.

[SZonian]

"...unless you are from Mississippi, this isn't your fight."

These elections have National consequences...we are all impacted by them.

Californians are reminded of this ad nauseum whenever those socialist slime ["don't call me ma'am" Box 'o rocks, Feinswine, Pelousy, etc.] are up for re-election.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Given all of that, I don’t think Cochran’s re-election is even in doubt.

The voters in MS fortunately recognize that a vote for Childers is a vote for Reid and a vote for BHO.

There is nothing to think about. Nothing to debate. It is what it is. This is no time for sore losers. No point in crying over spilled milk.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

You may call me a stooge. You may call me an idiot. You may call me whatever you like. You can raise your middle finger at me if you want. With respects to next weeks election I have but three choices:

1) I can vote REP
2) I can vote DEM.
3) I can stay at home.

I don’t even have the ability to vote for third party candidates. My state (CA) recently adopted the blanket primary. A system where only the candidates with two highest vote totals make it to the November ballot which eliminates all of the third party and independent candidates.

[INVAR]

That is an absurd premise, and mearly is an attempt at a tangent to avoid answering my original question. If you think you can win elections by praying and spouting platitudes, and nothing else, then just say so.

Heh, you just did it again.

Your ridicule of people of faith and God is duly noted despite your flimsy constructed straw man.

[NorthMountain]

It’s nice that you have no regrets ...

It’s not so nice that, with Republican Party collusion, our government has every year increased its size, its scope, its cost, all in complete violation of the Constitution.

But I guess that’s OK.

You voted for Republicans. Every. Single. Time.

That’s just wonderful.

[INVAR]

I didn’t call you a stooge.

I didn’t call you an idiot.

I didn’t give you the middle finger.

I said you can do what you think you need to do. I said I’m not going to insult you and belittle you as you have Conservatives who will not betray their principles to vote for the Ruling Class stooge for the GOP Establishment.

If you take offense and assume that I’m insulting you because I called the Ruling Class GOP candidates ‘stooges’ - then that is your personal problem. If that is the case, perhaps you identify yourself as being of the Ruling Class oligarchy.

I want nothing to do with them and will not aid or support what I consider traitors to our cause.

Unlike you, I can write in a Conservative or vote third party for the more Conservative candidate, which I plan to fully exercise on Tuesday.

As I said, you do as you think necessary. I’m not going to insult you and declare that you are not a Conservative simply because you are limited in what you can do.

[Cboldt]

Given that predicted outcome, the intensity of the GOPe advocates on FR is most amusing.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Yes I have voted Republican every single time. And have no regrets.

I live in CA. We have no such thing as “conservative Democrats” in these here parts. They are ALL Marxists. Period.

There is no choice. And now that the state has instituted the blanket primary, only the top two vote getters in the primary make it to the general election, thus eliminating all of the third party and independent candidates.

Therefore, my only chance for realistically advancing the conservative cause is within the GOP primary. I always take advantage of that. Last June I voted for Tim Donnelly for governor in the GOP primary. Unfortunately he didn’t win. But you move on and deal with what you have. There are no other alternatives other than not voting which I am aware of.

[NorthMountain]

If you think that your local Republicans are worth voting for, by all means keep voting for them.

If you think that your practice of ALWAYS voting for your local Republicans is producing the sort of government that you want, by all means keep voting for them.

I have NEVER told anyone to do otherwise.

Some people find their local Republicans to be no better than democrats, and choose not to vote for them.

1) Voting for the democrat party, regardless of the candidate's personal policy positions, is immoral. The democrat party, as a party, officially supports several morally reprehensible policy positions.

2) Voting for any politician, regardless of party, who supports certain grossly immoral policy positions, is immoral.

Sometimes that leaves the only the option of not casting a vote on that particular line.

I urge people ALWAYS to show up and vote ... even if only to vote against whatever local tax, bond, or spending issues have been deposited on the ballot.

[tanknetter]

I agree with you that politics is bloodsport and playing hardball wins elections.

Thats why I’d vote for McConnell in KY. He and Bevins had a standup fight. Bevins was a poor candidate. He lost. Time for Conservaties there to hold their noses and pull the Red lever, even if McConnell is an a$$hole for making that “crush the Tea Party” comment and raised money for Cochrane. We can only afford to throw one incumbent seat. McConnell’s isn’t it.

Cochrane’ tho IS that seat. He went well beyond the boundaries of typical campaign ruthlessness in advancing viscious damaging messages that reinforced the worst possible stereotypes relating to race and racism.

And he did that against Conservatives. McConnell taunted the Tea Party and Conservatives. Cochrane did tangible, significant damage to the Conservative Movement by portraying it as racist. Effectively confirming, as a Republican, that the decades long charges made by the Liberals, and denied by Conservatives, are correct.

That is simply unforgivable. Even before getting to the vote fraud stuff with Dem primary voters casting in the GOP runoff. If you disagree, you really need to sit back and ponder the long term, national, consequences of a senior sitting Southern Republican Senator saying that Conservatives are racist and disenfranchise Blacks.