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Senator Ted Cruz : GENUINE Risk of Houston Pastor's Arrest for Protesting LGBT Laws
CBN ^ | 2014-10-17 | David Brody, CBN

Posted on 10/18/2014 8:28:58 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne

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To: marron

Yes, I agree with you.


81 posted on 10/18/2014 11:35:52 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: ForYourChildren

Read Post #73. Marron gets it. The totalitarian Left is fighting the churches, and they will use the unconstitutional power of government to control them. Do you get the picture?


82 posted on 10/18/2014 11:36:14 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: newnhdad

I say hands off. The government has no Constitutional power to limit what is being said in the houses of worship. None. Period.


83 posted on 10/18/2014 11:38:13 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: xzins
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First, a genuine thanks for your service.


All of this is moot, however, because the 1st amendment clearly disentangles governments from church business.

Yes ... the Constitution absoluely protects the "activities" of "pure, simple, churches".

And ... the Constitution ALSO REQUIRES ...

persons, corporations, and "religious charitable corporations" (like Houston's Christian Churches) ...

to fully HONOR the full "terms and conditions" of business contracts.



IRS 501-C3 is a legally binding contract ... between CONSENTING parties ... whose "terms and conditions" each party MUST follow.

A) The IRS honors it's COVENANT requirement of this "federal contract" by giving Church contributors FINANCIAL CREDIT for their gifts/tithes/donation on their annual U.S. Federal Income Tax Return

B) The Churches MUST honor it's COVENTANT requirement of this "federal contract" by OBEYING the "terms and conditions" outlined (in detail) in IRS Pamplet-1828 (link provided above).



Will some Christian Believer here (please) explain to me how a Christian Church can obey BOTH ...

1) their COVENANT with THE LORD to speak His truth without reservation

and

2) their IRS 501-C3 "federal contract" COVENANT to speak THE LORD's truth ...

... ONLY so long as it doesn't offend gays, sodomites, murderers, Allah, Obama, Muslims, etc.



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84 posted on 10/18/2014 11:38:57 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: ForYourChildren; jonrick46

Please ignore this post, it was flippant and uncalled for. If I could remove it, I would. (Yes, I am embarrassed by it.)


85 posted on 10/18/2014 11:39:48 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: ForYourChildren

Now we are on the same page!


86 posted on 10/18/2014 11:40:42 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jonrick46

The point is, this is a relatively NEW convention. If it is so fundamentally Founding Fatherish, why did it take so long to appear? Donors were regarded as distinct from donees.


87 posted on 10/18/2014 11:46:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: P-Marlowe

So what did churches do before there was a 501c3? What did the individuals do? Why give the government the authority of a 501c3? Fight the government over that? This is similar to the free speech zone at Bundys ranch. Just ignore it. The government wants to create the illusion of defining some authority where none exists. Tell them to pound sand by ignoring it. If you give in to their illegal requests then you have given them the authority which continues to expand.

Can I search your vehicle? Can I search your home? If you have nothing to hide then you will let me come in.

They want authority where none exists. The 501c3 gives them a certain amount of authority where it is voluntarily given and I don’t think we should give it them.


88 posted on 10/18/2014 11:50:16 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: jonrick46

Agreed!


89 posted on 10/18/2014 11:51:47 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Fag Nazis.


90 posted on 10/18/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by Lockbar (What would Vlad The Impaler do?)
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To: P-Marlowe

Do you voluntarily give up control and authority of your children?

I would hope not.

But then most parents actually do, willfully and voluntarily.

“”Parents give up their rights when they drop the children off at public school.”
—Texas Federal District Judge Melinda Harmon

Similarly, why give the government any control or authority where they should have none?


91 posted on 10/18/2014 12:10:39 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: P-Marlowe; ForYourChildren; marron
Why give up something that is an inherent right of religious expression?

I doubt that anything can prove to atheist secularists that free exercise means every moment of a believer's life. Although, they will insist that their beliefs are allowed to be practiced 24/7/365, in classrooms, lecture halls, on buses, etc.

I am surprised, though, that Christians would buy into the notion that the government can control their speech by virtue of the government recognizing the reality of a relious body's corporateness.

92 posted on 10/18/2014 1:30:21 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: marron

“They are not just using IRS rules, they are using zoning rules, they are going after custody of peoples’ children.”

The difference as I see it regarding 501c3 vs other rules, is that someone willfully and voluntarily entered into the 501c3 contract. There was no coercion regarding the 501c3 contract. There is coercion regarding the other rules.

If you enter into a contract, don’t be surprised when the other entity wants to enforce the contract.


93 posted on 10/18/2014 2:15:25 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: jonrick46

I agree but my point is that those that elect the fascist politicians should be the first to feel the wrath.


94 posted on 10/18/2014 3:50:29 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: newnhdad

We in my neck of the woods have one word to describe the Marxist Socialists: Bertha. “Bertha” is synonymous with the word “big.” And Big Bertha Government is what is wrong with America. Big Bertha Government does a miserable job building things and does things wrong more than right.

As for Bertha, in the summer of 2013, the world’s largest tunneling machine (the cutting head is 57 feet in diameter), began digging the SR 99 tunnel beneath downtown Seattle. In December 2013, Seattle Tunnel Partners, the contracting team hired to design and build the tunnel, stopped excavation approximately 1,000 feet into the dig. It will not move one inch until March of 2015, if that predicted date is correct. So, that’s two years to dig 1000 feet. We could have gone that distance with pick and shovel!

In our liberal neck of the woods, Bertha is synonymous with the state worker’s unions. They own the state government and tax the people to pay for that ownership. The state worker’s unions pack a lot of punch, much like the German Krupp-built rail guns used by Germany in World War I and World War II. When that power is used against our freedoms, and the power to tax, Big Bertha Government has no limits. That is why I am furious when I read that Houston’s lesbian mayor, Annise Parker and her city council ordered pastors to turn over their sermons and any staff communications dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Mayor Annise Parker. That is Big Bertha Government totalitarianism and it does not belong in America.


95 posted on 10/19/2014 12:05:42 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I believe the laws pertaining to the IRS 501-C3 should not apply to churches in any way. As far as I am concerned, churches are in a different class than the typical non-profit organizations that the IRS 501-C3 addresses. Why churches file for 501-C3 status is something I cannot comprehend. Maybe they cannot comprehend all the legal mumbo jumbo and want to do something they think is the safe thing to do. What they are doing is backing themselves into a corner so that Big Bertha Government can put their thumb on them.

Usually government has a hands-off approach to the churches. However, in the hands of those who have no regard for the Constitution and the historical limits on governmental infringement, we have Big Bertha Government and the totalitarian behavior we should have been protected from.

It is time to start throwing tea into the harbor and the snakes out of Big Bertha Government.


96 posted on 10/19/2014 12:52:29 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Here is my point about “Render unto Caesar.” In America, Caesar has no right to our freedoms. Read and get educated:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3217012/posts


97 posted on 10/19/2014 1:18:39 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

It’s very important for many Christians and ministers to join in the arrest if that is what Caesar chooses to do.


98 posted on 10/19/2014 2:24:30 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Pollster1

If it were me ordered to bake cake and take pictures of gay unions, they would be unrecognizable. If they want nice pretend wedding pictures, best to pick a secular photographer and if they want a pretty “wedding” cake, best to choose a secular baker.


99 posted on 10/19/2014 2:27:37 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Patton@Bastogne; P-Marlowe

There is no federal writing that can contradict the US Constitution. If it does, then it is unconstitutional.

In allowing any government agency to acknowledge a church’s inherent corporateness, the church is doing the government a favor. Therefore, any interpretation of any church’s friendliness that violates the constitutional protections of the 1st amendment is a wrong interpretation.


100 posted on 10/19/2014 2:46:11 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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