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GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana
Huffington Post ^ | Sep 26th, 2014 | Elise Foley

Posted on 09/26/2014 6:15:59 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: ConservingFreedom
If not, the answer in Colorado is to loosen excessive restrictions on legal outlets and lower the taxes.

Shouldn't the libertarian view be no restrictions or taxes period?

81 posted on 09/26/2014 11:41:44 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Mariner

The guy’s all wet - mary jane is only a symptom. Liberalism is destroying American Values - period.


82 posted on 09/27/2014 2:18:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Access is not really a factor, there is access thanks to non-enforcement by authorities in Virginia where it is supposedly illegal. Your "harnessing" the power of the market is a red herring.

There are many factors involved in neural generation / degeneration including many environmental and genetic factors other than the alcohol or MJ consumption.

Within the hippocampus are a group of cells that continually produce new brain cells, called neurons, throughout our life. This process of cell renewal is called “neurogenesis;” whenever this process is impaired we have trouble forming new memories and we develop the symptoms of depression, to mention just two consequences

Obviously written for adult children and sounds about as "scientific" as the studies I read about global warming. Clearly there is just as much an agenda to promote the myth of healthy MJ as there is to promote the myth of catastrophic global warming. As a former teenage binge drinker myself, this is obviously at best a crude generalization and at worst it is statistical junk.

83 posted on 09/27/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: free_life
"Someone should have asked him to show the data on deaths from cannabis, he can't.

Have you heard about the 10's of thousands of folks that have died in the in the drug business in U.S., Mexico and South America.... How did you miss that one..?

84 posted on 09/27/2014 6:09:49 AM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: unread

A reason to decriminalize it. If those who want it could grow their own like tomatoes it would have a dollar value like tomatoes and their would be no violent criminal cartel involvement with cannabis. There was the same problem when alcohol was prohibited.


85 posted on 09/27/2014 9:17:05 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: itsahoot
If not, the answer in Colorado is to loosen excessive restrictions on legal outlets and lower the taxes.

Shouldn't the libertarian view be no restrictions or taxes period?

Probably - but you should ask a libertarian. I fully support age limits and am OK with reasonable restrictions on time, place, etc. comparable to those on the legal drug alcohol.

86 posted on 09/27/2014 10:07:03 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ifinnegan
marijuana’s harm, which is not physical but mental and/or spiritual

What mental and/or spiritual harm is done by marijuana but not alcohol?

87 posted on 09/27/2014 10:08:54 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: palmer
Young people report that they can get pot (which is illegal for all, except in a few states) more easily than beer or cigarettes (which are legal for adults). It appears that the most effective way to reduce access to marijuana by young people is harnessing the power of the market by legalizing for adults, so sellers have the potential loss of their legal adult market to discourage them from selling to minors.

Access is not really a factor, there is access thanks to non-enforcement by authorities in Virginia where it is supposedly illegal.

Access is not a binary condition but comes in degrees - and young people report it's greater for pot.

Within the hippocampus are a group of cells that continually produce new brain cells, called neurons, throughout our life. This process of cell renewal is called “neurogenesis;” whenever this process is impaired we have trouble forming new memories and we develop the symptoms of depression, to mention just two consequences

Obviously written for adult children and sounds about as "scientific" as the studies I read about global warming.

That's a popularized account of a publication in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences from the Scripps Research Institute. If you really want the straight science I'm sure that's enough to find it.

As a former teenage binge drinker myself, this is obviously at best a crude generalization and at worst it is statistical junk.

You think your drinking history has a bearing on what is "statistical junk"? That's quite ignorant - particularly in conjunction with lectures on what's "scientific."

88 posted on 09/27/2014 10:19:49 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Alcohol is not as mentally/spiritually harmful as marijuana.


89 posted on 09/27/2014 11:15:49 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
What mental and/or spiritual harm is done by marijuana but not alcohol?

Alcohol is not as mentally/spiritually harmful as marijuana.

Because you say so?

90 posted on 09/27/2014 2:16:32 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Because it is true.

As far as appeal to authority, the Bible says so.

Look, you are a stoner and not a conservative. You have no clue.

My advice, give it up and get your head straight and learn to tell solid rock from liberal jello.


91 posted on 09/27/2014 2:24:17 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
the Bible says so.

I don't suppose you can cite chapter and verse?

Look, you are a stoner

Wrong. Is your Bible missing the part about not bearing false witness?

92 posted on 09/27/2014 2:39:01 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ifinnegan
Alcohol is not as mentally/spiritually harmful as marijuana.

Huh? Please explain what you alluding to.

As far as appeal to authority, the Bible says so.

Haven't a clue what you are trying to say. What scriptures on what? Are you drinking alcohol? I ask because you seem to be unable to write in such a way that us sober folk can comprehend what you are trying to convey.

93 posted on 09/27/2014 3:11:49 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

“Haven’t a clue what you are trying to say.”

I think there are many things about which you haven’t a clue.

Dope troll.


94 posted on 09/27/2014 4:11:20 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes.

Look up where the term pharmacy comes from.

I don’t believe you are interested in serious discussion on Biblcal teachings or care.

You are a dope troll.

I don’t believe you have one bit of sincerity on this issue or care in any way except to try and demean those who understand the harm marijuana does to the brain.

You would care nothing for Biblical or scientific discussion.


95 posted on 09/27/2014 4:21:40 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
I don't suppose you can cite chapter and verse?

Yes.

Look up where the term pharmacy comes from.

That's not citing chapter and verse. I infer you're referring to Gal. 5:19-21 and its use of the term pharmakeia, translated as "sorcery" which is narrower than all drug use.

You would care nothing for Biblical or scientific discussion.

And yet I've done more of both than you on this thread.

96 posted on 09/27/2014 4:46:45 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You are familiar with it. At least enough to deny the meaning.

Why are you trolling then?

Because you are not a sincere person on this issue.


97 posted on 09/27/2014 4:49:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Mariner

“It destroys families, and it destroys people.”

So does/did prohibition. It is the same excuse used by liberals to ban fats, salts, sugars, etc.

Where does this nanny state insanity end? When we are all locked up for life, in cages, fed only as our masters allow?

Freedom means accepting all results and doing your daily best to keep them in check.

There are ways to keep alcohol and pot in check if the freaking government would just get out of the way.

As Reagan said, government is not the solution, it is the problem, yet, you want more of it.


98 posted on 09/27/2014 4:52:10 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: ifinnegan
Gal. 5:19-21 and its use of the term pharmakeia, translated as "sorcery" which is narrower than all drug use.

You are familiar with it. At least enough to deny the meaning

Every New Testament translator has denied your asserted meaning by rendering pharmakeia as "sorcery" and not "drug use."

99 posted on 09/27/2014 4:55:43 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Mariner

Sorry I don’t buy that. What is helping to destroy things is a Drug Policy that has failed for over 40 years.

We will always have addicts so Legalize all of it have a plan to control it, tax it, whatever and take away the profit motive for the Cartels.

That will also ease the prison overcrowding and the inner city youths that gravitate to drugs to sell will have to do something else.


100 posted on 09/27/2014 4:56:08 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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