Why Scotland looks like the canary in the independence coal mine

Reuters ^ | 09/17/2014 | Mark Leonard

[Mamzelle]

I wish big cities could be their own “state”—look how Chicago ruins Illinois.

[SeekAndFind]

THE FOUR TRENDS:

1. SELF-GOVERNMENT WILL INCREASINGLY TRUMP ECONOMICS

2. NATIONALISM WILL INCREASINGLY CLAD ITSELF IN PROGRESSIVE CLOTHING.

3. ELITES ARE NOT AS PERSUASIVE AS THEY USED TO BE.

4. THE IDEA OF “ONE NATION” IS DEAD.

[gaijin]

What would The Founders do?

Texas next?

[CPT Clay]

http://nypost.com/2014/09/16/price-of-scotch-whisky-could-skyrocket-if-scotland-secedes/

Oh Noes!!!!!!!!!!

[Gay State Conservative]

If Quebec didn’t do it Scotland certainly won’t.

[thackney]

Quebec didn’t have North Sea Oil Income.

[DJlaysitup]

Go Scottland !! (I’m about 15% Scottish)...F the Brits...they say the RBS will leave and the economy will fail?...like hell...if the Scotts go Indy their economy will have a major jump. The Scare tactic boys will come back in a heartbeat...nobody leaves oil deposits...nobody.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Scotland....the mouse that roared.....

Sorry Bravehart, I don’t think this dog is going to hunt.

Cooler heads will prevail.

[what's up]

The Founders weren't socialist.

Scotland won't do nearly as well as they think with their socialist mindset.

[Usagi_yo]

Wrong.

Scotland yes/no for going independent is a referendum on Progressive Politics. Increased taxes + growth of the Welfare fueled by the unfettered immigration of ungrateful’s who come with their overwhelming 3rd world birthrates to economical conquer and burden the western democracies until they collapse.

[DJlaysitup]

Scotland won't do nearly as well as they think with their socialist mindset.

You may be surprised...and I don't think Scotland is nearly as "Socialist" as the media makes them out to be. Once on their own I would guess the Brits will WISH they were all socialists...because...economically a free Scotland might just kick their ass....a bit.

[GraceG]

Positive: People should have the right to rule themselves...

Negative: A Balkanized Europe would make things easier for the Islamonazis to take over it...

[GraceG]

[ Go Scottland !! (I’m about 15% Scottish)...F the Brits...they say the RBS will leave and the economy will fail?...like hell...if the Scotts go Indy their economy will have a major jump. The Scare tactic boys will come back in a heartbeat...nobody leaves oil deposits...nobody. ]

Note how some in the Laboor part in the UK say that Scotland will lose welfare benefits if they break away...

Gee, kinda exposes the scam that is welfare.... Crumbs for control it is...

[ameribbean expat]

Exactly. William Wallace cried out for freedom, the ScotsNats just don’t want their free healthcare fiddled with.

Throw in the fact that 16 year olds can vote in this election, and you have a supply of ignorance which far outstrips any demand for it.

My mother’s side has plenty of Scot and I love the place especially up north and the Orkneys, but damn, I’m glad my ancestors left. These guys just confirm one of my basic axioms: Europeans are simply people whose ancestors didn’t have the balls to come to America.

Has Soros taken a position on this vote?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Once on their own I would guess the Brits will WISH they were all socialists...because...economically a free Scotland might just kick their ass....a bit.

The Brits used to rule Hong Kong. Is Scotland going to be like Hong Kong?

[sphinx]

The modern nation state was built by and for warfare. Remove the threat of war, and polities could be much smaller. This is exacerbated in Europe by the EU, which is attempting to supplant the traditional national governments. It's an interesting experiment.

Scotland can't hope to survive indefinitely on North Sea oil. Its reference points must be Ireland, Norway, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. To make a success as a microstate on the flank of a continental giant, it has to be agile and extremely competitive. Brain dead socialist party hacks leading the government will not cut the mustard. Whether an independent Scotland can meet that test remains to be seen.

[Obadiah]

Interesting. I think they will approve.

[Regulator]

I know!!!

Let’s have a Federal Republic where the individual states essentially rule themselves but have a Federation government which negotiates international issues, interstate issues, and basically takes care of the general borders repelling invasions and regulating immigration!

Whatta concept! Beats an empire run out of one place thousands of miles from where people live, huh?

Oh wait.....that was the United States...of America....before it became just the UnitedStates.

Silly me.

[what's up]

and I don't think Scotland is nearly as "Socialist" as the media makes them out to be

I would like to hear some statements from Scottish leaders calling for individual freedom (not freedom to run their state programs).

I suspect there are very few if any.