Could this be the end of the Grand Canyon?

BBC News ^ | 4th September 2014 | Anthony Zurcher

[Wallace T.]

Large portions of many national parks were contributed by greedy capitalists (mainly the Rockefellers) to the government for the enjoyment of ALL of the people.

Therein lies the problem. If the Rockefellers, or anyone else, wants to preserve wild lands, they should do so out of their own pockets, or those of their friends. Everyone benefits from the military protecting our country from foreign enemies, or the police protecting us from the criminal element. Relatively few benefit from national parks, as travel to these places is a high cost venture, out of the reach of a large portion of the population. This was even more so in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, when most of the national parks were established. Roads were few and mostly unpaved; automobile ownership was not yet universal.

I like the idea of part of our natural heritage being preserved in close to its original state. However, this is better done by private individuals, or at most by the state governments. The state of Wyoming would be a far better steward of Grand Teton National Park than are the Feds, for example.

[machogirl]

Welcome. I’ve never been down it either and I live in AZ. In college I hiked down Havasupai. So beautiful. I have never been to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. I think that I would have to ride a burro back up. The switchbacks are a killer. (I’ve hiked down a ways on the South Rim and the North Rim) What goes down, must come back up.

[machogirl]

That book must be fascinating. I love Arizona history!

[riri]

They like the monopoly they have on it now. My husband hs applied for a permit to do an overnight hike in the canyon about seven times. He's been denied each time.

It's about $25 to even drive your car into the canyon now.

[newnhdad]

That’s not what Fred Flintstone thinks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4pUZPaz5k

[driftless2]

My wife and I and her sister and bro-in-law from Britain were there last September. When we first started the trolley tour, the canyon was fogged out...nothing was visible. Then after about one half hour the fog lifted. My in-laws were thrilled. My wife and I have been there four or five times, but it’s still a thrill.

[driftless2]

"come back up"

That is one of biggest irritants to people who work at the GC. Many people walk down not realizing there's no elevator to get back up.

[eyedigress]

I've hit every county in the state and found some real hidden treasures. Reading the maps in this book are very difficult at best. This is it. Would make a good gift for yourself or anyone in Arizona.

The publish year is 1913. I thought it was 1910

Printed in Prescott

[driftless2]

If you plan to tour the west and visit a lot of nps, it’s a good idea to get a season pass. It will not only pay for the nps, it will pay for the national monuments (nms) many of which are as interesting as the nps. One trip out west we visited about 14 nps and a number of nms. When I turned 62 I paid a one time fee of ten dollars, and now my wife and I see all the nps and nms for free.

[Night Hides Not]

My husband owes me a trip to the Grand Canyon.

On your way down from Wisconsin, have him stop at Moab, UT and Bryce Canyon. If you want a thrill, take a drive on the Moki Dugway:

There is so much to see in Southern Utah/Northern Arizona, it's incredible. I suggest you stay in Kanab, UT. From there, you're within a 2 hour drive of several NPs, to include the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Kanab is known as "Little Hollywood" as dozens of westerns have been filmed there over the past 60 years. We always stay at the Parry Lodge. It's kept in immaculate condition, and many of the most well known stars stayed there while filming their movies.

[Ann Archy]

you take your chances.

[dmz]

Glad I’ve already been. But only to the south rim. Gonna have to get to the north rim sooner than I thought if this goes through.

Not sure I can get behind the disneyfication of the grand canyon.

I actually found the overlooks over the little colorado river even more riveting than the grand canyon itself. So deep and narrow.

Of course, the biggest chuckle came at one of the several flea markets around the little colorado overlooks, at which one of the native American locals stated ‘I just don’t see why all you white people are so interested in a hole in the ground.”

[dmz]

So, what do you think about it?
What’s the point of posting something without comment?

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So, what do you think about it?
What’s the point of posting something without comment?

[pierrem15]

I guess the Park Service higher ups— like other white liberals— prefer their natives living in picturesque destitution.

[fieldmarshaldj]

How much money did they get out of the register ?

[T-Bird45]

Same thing happened to me on a trip a few years ago. I still tell people I went to the GC only to find they filled it in and it’s not there anymore. The day after the train trip to the GC, we experienced all 4 seasons in one day as we left Williams AZ. It rained, tornados struck, hail fell, snow fell, and spring broke out as we went south on I-17 to Sedona. It was almost like being home in OK, just done at a higher elevation. A couple of days later, I played golf in beautiful weather in Sedona among the Red Rocks.

[Carthego delenda est]

“In any case, the national parks should be turned over to the states or, better yet, privatized. If the Ted Turners, the Robert Redfords, or the Bill Gateses of the world dislike the idea, let them buy the lands with their own money and run them as they wish.”

They ARE doing this, just not with the rocks and ice with scenic views. The individuals you mentioned give some of the largest donations to The Nature Conservancy, the largest private land owner in the U.S. Different from the Park Service system, they don’t just buy up the spectacular land, but some of the best farm and ranch land as well as as much land along waterways as possible. They ARE legitimately privatizing massive amounts of land for THEIR libtard agenda.

[Nifster]

If it ison real and they can build what they want

[wally_bert]

Glad someone else remembered.

I’m sure that he could have told to the penny what the whole trip cost as it progressed off the top of his head. He was a lifelong cost accountant and a very good one too. Also played a mean game of scrabble.

[machogirl]

I bought a Centennial cookbook of territorial recipes (Arizona). The book was divided into recipes from: ‘mormons, mexicans, indians, cowboys, and i think pioneers’. A lot of digging holes and cooking in the hole. Fascinating.

Thanks for the tip about this book. I have done some searching on the FREE google books and there are a LOT written in the 1800’s about the Arizona Territory and heck, books that are hundreds of years old. Fascinating, all of it. Written in the Times, for the Ages.