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Fatally Shot FSU Professor Waited 19 Minutes for Ambulance to Arrive
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| Aug 1, 2014
| Matt Gutman
Posted on 08/02/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: aposiopetic
Evidently he wrote about retributive justice Somebody out there might have a motive.
There are many conceptions of retributive justice. This paper is designed to articulate and defend a particular kind of retributive justice, one that I call the "Confrontational Conception of Retributivism," or the CCR. This particular conception is political, not comprehensive, and thus is interested in defending the claim that "state" punishment is, as a general matter, warranted as a response to criminal wrongdoing. Accordingly, the focus is on the legal manifestations of criminal punishment, particularly within a liberal democracy; it is not concerned with justifying punishment in other spheres such as parent-child relations. Related to this account of state punishment is that its contours should be devised principally ex ante and that such punishment should be distributed through actors upon whom there are checks with respect to their remaining discretion.
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posted on
08/02/2014 7:55:10 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
It’s interesting. For my part, I always thought the most compelling justification for incarceration was not retribution, but, rather, mere prevention of further crimes by the confined perpetrators.
To: aposiopetic
I’m more of a fan of forced restitution plus 20% per the Torah.
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posted on
08/02/2014 8:00:29 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
I’ll not quibble with the source. Sometimes they just don’t have it to cough up, having dissipated it fruitlessly.
To: aposiopetic
Sometimes they just dont have it to cough up, having dissipated it fruitlessly. No doubt that would be the majority of cases. All I'm saying is that prison should make them work and send what would otherwise be a fair paycheck to the victims as restitution.
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posted on
08/02/2014 8:11:38 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: Carry_Okie
That’s fair. And, besides, fruitful prison labor keeps them away from a life of crime victimizing others (see: prevention :-).
To: aposiopetic
Thats fair. And, besides, fruitful prison labor keeps them away from a life of crime victimizing others (see: prevention :-). And the more fruitful they become the sooner they get out.
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posted on
08/02/2014 8:43:02 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
To: aposiopetic
For those who don’t know what retributive justice is, and that included me:
Retributive Justice is a theory of justice that considers punishment, if proportionate, to be the best response to crime. When an offender breaks the law, justice requires that they forfeit something in return. Retribution should be distinguished from vengeance. Unlike revenge, retribution is directed only at wrongs, has inherent limits, is not personal, involves no pleasure at the suffering of others, and employs procedural standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice
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posted on
08/02/2014 9:25:14 PM PDT
by
Balding_Eagle
(If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
To: nickcarraway
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posted on
08/02/2014 9:48:19 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
("Kerry, as Obama's plenipotentiary, is a paradox - the physical presence of a geopolitical absence")
To: X-spurt
Wait, wait jes a minute. Fust ah haffa axe you some quessions. An if you argues wif me, ah’m gonna hang up, gnome sayin’?
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posted on
08/03/2014 12:27:11 AM PDT
by
beelzepug
(You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
To: mountainlion
If you live within four miles of a ambulance station...you might get the typical arrival within eight minutes. From the rural area where I grew up....it’ll take twenty minutes minimum for an ambulance to arrive. In some cases, you’d be better off for a neighbor to throw you in the back of a truck and just haul off at seventy miles an hour.
This is all leading folks to push for chopper-ambulance services now. The chopper can usually be at the house in twenty minutes and take you to a real hospital sixty miles away in a matter of twenty minutes.
To: nickcarraway
The night my dad died, it took the ambulance 39 minutes to get there. He was long gone by then.
This was in Statesboro GA in 1986. They didn't even have 911 set up. We had to look up the phone number of the ambulance service.
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posted on
08/03/2014 5:34:38 AM PDT
by
real saxophonist
(Stay In The Fight - Kyle Lamb)
To: nickcarraway
That’s part of why we have the right to keep and bear arms. A 44 magnum responds at around 1500 fps. A cop responds in around 10-20 minutes. I can do the math.
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posted on
08/03/2014 5:47:08 AM PDT
by
Pollster1
("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
To: petitfour
The paramedics notes from the drive to the hospital stated that they did not think son would make it and questioned whether or not to give him the needed IVs because they thought he would be dead on arrival.???
Seriously...
My lawyer would be busy....that cannot be protocol...
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posted on
08/03/2014 6:06:27 AM PDT
by
Popman
("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
To: beelzepug
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posted on
08/03/2014 8:14:11 AM PDT
by
X-spurt
(CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
To: petitfour
"The paramedics notes from the drive to the hospital stated that they did not think son would make it and questioned whether or not to give him the needed IVs because they thought he would be dead on arrival. Alas, he lived. The trauma unit provided excellent care. Timing is everything. Well, help from Above is everything."
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Unbelievable that there was even a thought of whether to use IV care or not!
P> petitfour, so glad your son survived.
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posted on
08/03/2014 10:32:41 AM PDT
by
hummingbird
(Mark Levin and Article 5. Period. 26 IS THE NEW 18. US = Koyaanisqatsi.)
To: hummingbird
Thanks! Son will always have TBI. He doesn’t remember what happened. He doesn’t remember anything about his three weeks in ICU though we have gone back for visits and to say thank you to those who gave him such great care. It strengthens their faith to see someone survive against the odds. Watching the trauma unit in action for those three weeks was eye opening. What great people with great skills! But even greater is their faith!
A bad 911 service is unacceptable. Every single second counts.
To: fso301
It was probably the ex wife. They were in a legal dispute.
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posted on
08/03/2014 11:08:57 AM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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