Posted on 07/29/2014 8:14:09 AM PDT by xzins
I miss the rule of law.
We are closer to the time when the only way to return
to the rule of law is to be lawless.
Wow, the Thought Police are real.
Interesting.
No freedom of expression for artists either apparently.
Fk them.
This is untenable.
Re-education is an intramural activity.
That is: If, a condition of employment, a company requires this, fine.
But, a private business owner cannot be compelled to act against his religious beliefs, which are spelled out in a book that is some 3,400 years old.
Every time I read one of these cases I read that claim in comments but each one specifically says something like the following:
“”I didn't discriminate against anybody,” Phillips countered. “Like Nicolle (his attorney) said, I've chosen not to make cakes for same-sex weddings. I told David and Charlie when they came in that I would sell them cookies and brownies and birthday cakes and shower cakes. I just don't do the same-sex wedding cake.”
He clearly says he refused to bake them a wedding cake, it says nothing about him offering to bake them a wedding cake that that looks the same as would for normal couples, he says he offered them cookies instead of a wedding cake,.
I am still waiting for a case like that, matching the claims,
These sound like martyr cases. I want to see a real case,
Who are David and Charlie - the litigants? I’d like to know a little bit more about these guys. Who do they discriminate against? What are their last names? Two can play this nasty game.
I should hope so; however I am a bit discouraged on the issues of constitutionalism: when I bring the subject [usu. concerning firearms] up with the authorities I get the run-around, when I bring up the same contraconstitutional statutes to lawyers they say I cannot challenge such statutes w/o violating them (this means without implicitly acknowledging their authority, and forcing me to argue from the position of the accused: a position of weakness where arguments of validity will come off as whining you can't do that!
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Simply put: the authorities have no interest in honoring the very constitutions by which they derive their authority.
What is the one thing he said that he does not do?
From the article, I assumed they were the guys who wanted a same sex wedding cake.
“Civil Rights Commission” have oddly enough always been very much Orwellian in name. Their propose is to levly war upon the natural rights of man kind.
If they want a report they can have a copy the bible. We have higher laws, and actual rights to be concerned with. Not the unlawful and abusive edicts of a group of tyrants that order us to defy God. NOBODY has ever had a right to anybody else’s Goods or services. The very nature of trade is that it is voluntary. Take out the voluntary and what you have is nothing short of thief and slavery.
By the way, and this is important, at the time the request was made, same-sex wedding was not legal in Colorado. So, the homosexual’s own government was allowed to deny them a service, but an independent baker wasn’t allowed to turn down participation. That part still strikes me as really odd.
The article cites no specific law that was broken but national review cites that they broke an anti-discrimination law for ‘refusing to bake them a wedding cake’.
I also noticed that a panel made this last ruling, not a judge, but that they upheld a previous judge's ruling.
The problem is that if a judge ruled that they have the right to refuse same sex couples the same services or products that opposite couples get, then that would apply to mixed race couples too, and there no chance they are going there.
I would bake them a cake the same as everyone else gets and refuse to put two same-sex sounding names on it in decoration.
Now that like the Little Sisters of the poor would be a promising case. Losing isn't everything I always say.
ABC news on 18 July: "Colorado's Supreme Court on Friday ordered the Denver County clerk to stop issuing marriage licenses to gay couples while the state's ban against the unions remains in place. The two-page ruling noted that a judge who earlier this month ruled the ban was unconstitutional put his decision on hold until it was appealed, meaning the definition of marriage approved by Colorado voters in 2006, as between one man and one woman, remains active. "
It just blows my mind that you can be punished for not participating in something that the state doesn't allow.
From the standpoint of neighborliness, how do I see this?
I think they should just leave each other alone. This guy had religious beliefs, then leave him alone. Go to a different baker. For him, he has religious beliefs, but maybe he could say, "Well, Joe's bakery on Styx Street... they'll hook you up."
I'm a pastor. If gay marriage becomes legal in Ohio, and 2 gays come to me and say, "We want you to marry us. We like your wedding service.", then I would be forced to say. I'll pray for you, I'll read scripture with you, I'll visit you in the hospital, BUT, I can't do a gay wedding. It violates what I believe.
I am clearly a religious organization. The bakery wasn't.
Maybe he should become a non-profit religious, baked goods outreach, paying himself a salary and providing everything above the costs of maintaining the non-profit, to Christian outreach of some variety.
That way, no one can deny that his religion is central to what he's doing.
If a gay shop owner refuses to make wedding cakes for a Christian wedding, that is also discrimination. But a judge won’t rule against the shop owner in that case.
The state government I would argue is discriminating against the owner for allowing this to even go to court. You’re right. The queers have won, this may even be how Christians will be rounded up.....re-education camps today, concentration camps tomorrow. Wait until Christians start being forced to go to these camps, but stop coming back. It will be too late then. The federal government needs a reset, and the country needs to be cleansed.
I don’t want to live in America anymore. Our President is a disgusting (likely a fag) evil muslim sympathizer at BEST, much of his administration is also, the LIBERALS will make sure that all the military leadership within 10 years will be FAGGOTS/QUEERS/MUSLIM SYMPATHIZERS. Christians are being FORCED to sell to FAGGOTS.
This country is done, over with. There is no coming back from this, it’s apparent that America is no longer needed in this world. America gone today, Armageddon tomorrow. Or perhaps our country is just at the end of it’s life, maybe Russia, or China will pick up the torch. I’m sure Putin would love to.
It started much like this in Nazi Germany, media/government telling people that the JEWS are evil, allowing people to discriminate, then they took the guns and then they killed 6 million people. There are differences of course. But it is apparent to me that Obama, and most of his administration and appointee’s hate Christians and hate Israel. Why don’t they hate Catholic’s, or Muslims and Buddhists too? Obama was sent straight from hell to hurt Jews and Christians. Might even be an/the antichrist.
Not quite that cut and dried. This is an order not a ruling.
But it looks like for the time being that they cant get married.
Maybe they (the Bakers) will appeal on that. Its a shot.
What sucks is that a lib Federal judge made up this right for homo-marriage out of thin air in CO. The SCOTUS sent them a signal that they have free-reign.
God help them.
And for those who prefer to send a check rather than donate online, the bakery’s address is on the website!
Or send a check to Alliance Defending Freedom (they’re covering his legal costs) specifying Masterpiece Cakeshop as purpose for donation.
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