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Is Detroit's New Light Rail Line America's Greatest Boondoggle?
reason.com ^ | July 24, 2014 | Jim Epstein

Posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: GeronL
whatever you do, do NOT call it a bullet train

You win post of the day. ;o)

41 posted on 07/25/2014 11:26:55 AM PDT by super7man (Oh why did I post that, now I'll never be able to run for Congress.)
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To: 1rudeboy

IMAGINE!

Next time you drive past a light rail train, imagine 3 things;

1. Each light rail passenger in a full size car instead of the train car.

2. Driving on paved over light rail track line.

3. All the empty space between those cars being used by cars on your road.

Think of how much faster your own travel would be with an emptier road!


42 posted on 07/25/2014 11:35:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: cripplecreek

I would normally too. But I would avoid them just like I avoid the private “short buses” that “compete” with New Jersey Transit (and that includes my avoidance of NJT on top of that). And DBC’s look conjures a certain urban “ethos” that is utterly at odds with what I believe in.


43 posted on 07/25/2014 11:38:20 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: cripplecreek

In addition, DBC uses some Obama-esque slogan words, such as “Change”. Highly visible on their website.


44 posted on 07/25/2014 11:41:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Whatever.


45 posted on 07/25/2014 11:44:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: GeronL

LOL! I wonder if the Blight Rail will go to Blight-more.


46 posted on 07/25/2014 11:58:53 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: 1rudeboy

Nope. CT’s $60 million dollar a mile busway is.


47 posted on 07/25/2014 12:06:47 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: FrdmLvr; a fool in paradise
Parts of Baltimore look like Detroit

Parts of every big urban city have parts and sections that look like Detroit. Detroit is just on the bleeding edge of societal devolution!

48 posted on 07/25/2014 12:06:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy

I can see exactly one use for “light rail”: connecting an outlying airport with a city center and population centers or secondary-business cores on the far side of the city. The El’s blue line in Chicago, the Seattle light rail system (one line just as I described), SEPTA’s train to Philadelphia International,. . . all get a great deal of ridership just as airport links, and I suspect, between that and their ridership as public transit for locals would all be profitable as stand-alone rail lines (unlike most public transit).


49 posted on 07/25/2014 12:08:30 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

Chicago has a good system. It takes you to where you want to go (including both airports and most stadiums). It doesn’t drop you off in the middle of nowhere.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 12:10:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Light rail will be obsolete with the first self driving vehicle. Why started this now?


51 posted on 07/25/2014 12:17:52 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Light rail will be obsolete with the first self driving vehicle.

Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4eEVhoohtI

52 posted on 07/25/2014 12:26:33 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: cripplecreek

If they’re using the slogans of the left and adopt the urban decay look of left-wing rule, it’s a bit beyond “whatever”. Just my observation.


53 posted on 07/25/2014 12:40:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well, no, but there are plenty of other reasons to oppose government boondoggles.


54 posted on 07/25/2014 12:41:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MeganC

“Thanks for reading.”

No. Thank you for writing that.


55 posted on 07/25/2014 1:31:16 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Olog-hai

Like I said, whatever.


56 posted on 07/25/2014 1:33:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: GeronL

“Nevermore!”


57 posted on 07/25/2014 2:29:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: GeronL

Houston owns the trademark on the term Boondoggle associated with a light rail transportation system.


58 posted on 07/25/2014 2:31:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: discostu
Seattle's boondogle of a light rail has more than doubled in cost since 2000.
the 34-mile Sounder north line, which links Seattle to Everett, is costing much more and being used far less than anybody expected. It was originally proposed as a six-train commuter service, on the existing Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) Railway tracks, with six stops. But as costs shot up to $368 million from a projected $132 million, the agency cut back to four trains and four stations. About 1,100 riders use the line every weekday, far below the original forecast of 2,400–3,200 riders, for an average cost of $330,000 per rider.

And than this.........

By contrast, the Sounder south route, from Seattle to Tacoma, cost $55,000 per average weekday rider$135,000 per rider for its new commuter line.

To be sure, unforeseen circumstances, including the recent recession, have contributed to reduced ridership and lower revenues, but poor negotiations are also part of the problem. Sound Transit originally estimated it would have to pay $65 million to use BNSF’s right-of-way for the Seattle-Everett route. The agency ended up paying $258 million for those rights. /q>

Sound Transit states that they have no thoughts of shutting down the Money Pit that is the North line. That the people there want it. And they have started a marketing campaign to increase ridership.

Idiots

Ed

59 posted on 07/25/2014 2:32:20 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: a fool in paradise

I thought that was the Train of Death!


60 posted on 07/25/2014 3:30:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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