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Ron Paul: If MH17 Missile Was Russian, So What? ISIS Has U.S. Weapons
mediaite.com ^ | July 18, 2014 | Andrew Kirell

Posted on 07/18/2014 7:27:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: jjsheridan5

Perhaps my years as part of NATO under Reagan and my knowledge of the evil of Russia helped me to see this for what it is.

I have no desire to sacrifice countries to Putin and disagree with your alliance to him, but luckily for you, you have Obama in charge.


81 posted on 07/18/2014 9:49:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen.


82 posted on 07/18/2014 10:06:12 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin can wipe out our entire civilization in minutes with nuclear weapons,..

And you have no way to stop him, so why insanely push his buttons ? Only an idiot backs a bear into a corner.

83 posted on 07/18/2014 10:08:44 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We didn’t have to because we bombed Libya to bits.

The bombing was not working. They had to have boots on the ground to remove Ghaddafi. And Obama and the Euroweenies could only deliver terrorists boots on the ground. That is why Ghadaffi was run down like a dog in the street.

84 posted on 07/18/2014 10:11:32 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Viennacon
Too soon to assert that, but I demand an explanation by Ukraine as to why this plane was sent over an area where their military planes had been shot down just days before.

They needed cover ?

85 posted on 07/18/2014 10:14:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: ansel12
ISIS isn’t conducting an invasion of one of our border nations for the US.

No there were supposed to help remove Assad from power. And then they got out of control.

86 posted on 07/18/2014 10:24:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: ansel12
Personally I’m still with the free world and don’t understand you pro-Russia/anti-NATO/anti-free world people.

I am in no way "pro-Russia", and certain not "anti-free world". As far as NATO, I have genuine questions about how useful it really is, since I don't think there is any real political will backing it up. But in general, no, I am not anti-NATO. What I am against, is getting involved in what, at this point, is a very messy situation, but a localized one. I believe that if we were to enter into a position where we are substantively assisting Ukraine, it would have to be only if we are willing to go all the way. For long-time allies, that would be the case. But not for any and every country. In addition, I think that if we do get involved (short of a full commitment), we may find ourselves doing far more harm than good, because unintended consequences will happen.

As far as the "protection" question is concerned, I may have misunderstood. I agree that Russia is quite paranoid, and doesn't want a pro-western country on their border. But I still maintain that, at this point in time, given what we know, it is not an invasion. And I think people jumping to conclusions about the plane that was shot down, are very irresponsible.
87 posted on 07/18/2014 10:29:06 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: jjsheridan5
In which case, it is not an invasion, but rather in that gray area.

They are probing. Looking for a weakness to exploit. They are over 30 million Ukrainians and over 5 million Russians in that country. Very difficult situation for all involved.

88 posted on 07/18/2014 10:33:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Could be. But I still think that their involvement is “politics by other means.” In other words, they would accept a federated Ukraine, which will only happen if the separatist movement has some degree of success. And the reason I think that they aren’t looking to invade is that an invasion would become such a quagmire for them, and wouldn’t provide much additional benefit. Such a decision would seem to run counter to everything else they are doing (economically, domestically, and in terms of their relationship with China), and would be all risk/no reward.


89 posted on 07/18/2014 11:10:18 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: jjsheridan5

They probably are concerned with the 5 million Russians still living in the Ukraine. One solution would be to split the east away and have a Russian enclave there. Similar to the new autonomous Kurdish area of Iraq. They are probing to see if that is possible and where the borders would end up. The Crimea was all about their naval port. Have no idea what the best solution would be, but the federated state in Iraq did not last long without a tyrant as the leader. And it would be the ultimate quagmire for the Russians. One they would rather avoid by utilizing tactical nukes to level cities. That is what a WWIII situation would bring.


90 posted on 07/18/2014 11:48:30 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“400 commercial aircraft flew through that region of Ukraine that day, including a Singapore airlines flight 15 minutes earlier. It was cleared by the international regulators. Malaysian Airlines wasn’t some kind of outlier. It just drew the short straw.”

I agree. Perhaps it’s time to re-assess the “safety-in-numbers” approach to flying over active combat zones.


91 posted on 07/19/2014 3:56:34 AM PDT by BobL
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To: FreeReign

“The “active combat zone” was not at 33k feet and there was no danger in flying over the area at that altitude until the rebels acquired Buk Missiles.”

Trying to thread the needle when it comes to threats in an active war zone is quite risky even for combatants (their mortars were only supposed to reach 6km, why are they reaching us here at 7km? - maybe they got upgraded hardware?), and it’s IDIOTIC to try that stunt with, I guess, THOUSANDS of innocent passengers every day. So hopefully they all learn a lesson here.


92 posted on 07/19/2014 4:03:13 AM PDT by BobL
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yet another reason libretardians will never be taken seriously. Trying to draw a false moral equivalency where none exists and blame the US for something someone else did in a far off land.
Sounds more and more like Obama every time he opens his mouth and working to become the yoke around his son’s neck.


93 posted on 07/19/2014 4:13:48 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin called Bammy to let him know the plane "went down".

Bammy would have waited a few days while trying to concoct a story that kept him out of it - just long enough for him to 'hear about it on the news".

Putin is a despot who is building this nation's hegemony and stature. Bammy is a cretin/tyrant who is serving this once great nation up on a serving plate, pre-sliced and diced, for those like Putin to take advantage of.

94 posted on 07/19/2014 4:28:14 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Actually we don’t send weapons to Syria. Saudi Arabia and Qatar do, but the USA doesn’t.”

If they’re US WEAPONS and are being delivered to THIRD COUNTRIES, and we do nothing about it (like cut off arms sales to Saudi and Gutter), then WE ARE DELIVERING those arms to terrorists and it is NO DIFFERENT than Putin.

Rand has a point here. I still HATE THE GUY, because of his domestic priorities (wanting felons to vote, for example), but he is right here.


95 posted on 07/19/2014 5:05:46 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Tailgunner Joe

WE.. Kimosabe Kirell??

WE do..

idiot.

I hope he enjoys the Damascus steel that will slit him like a pig when he visits Pakistan ala Daniel Pearl.


96 posted on 07/19/2014 9:59:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: BobL

Your smarmy desperation sure comes through in your posts.


97 posted on 07/19/2014 10:00:34 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

“Your smarmy desperation sure comes through in your posts.”

Actually, I prefer to call it skepticism...I’ve agree with more of Putin’s policies than with our own president’s.


98 posted on 07/19/2014 10:04:56 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Thanks for admitting that you are in Russia’s corner on Putin’s agenda, and against the free world and NATO and the U.S.


99 posted on 07/19/2014 10:09:15 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: cripplecreek

Someone should modify that pic with McCain holding hands with that terrorist.


100 posted on 07/19/2014 10:11:37 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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