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Russian Involvement Suspected In Crash Killing 295
Kyiv Post ^ | July 18, 2014

Posted on 07/17/2014 4:16:45 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Ghost of SVR4
The real problem we now face is an absent CinC.

We're better off with the Traitor-in-Chief doing something other than fundamentally destroying the United States of America.

41 posted on 07/17/2014 5:19:37 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: ETL 2

Knock it off with the posting of snippets from news organizations. Especially from copyrighted sources.


42 posted on 07/17/2014 5:20:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ETL 2

And the spamming too.


43 posted on 07/17/2014 5:23:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: cynwoody
Shooting down a civilian airliner is not in Putin's interest, nor Kiev's, nor that of the Ukrainian rebels who actually did the deed.

True, no one gains from this.

Why was a commercial airliner flying through airspace they had been warned wasn't safe??

IMO this was some type of horrendous error.... I'd sure hate to be the guy who launched that missile :-(

44 posted on 07/17/2014 5:24:43 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: Bobalu
Why was a commercial airliner flying through airspace they had been warned wasn't safe??

It was a Malaysian Airlines commercial airliner. Rumor has it the Malaysians are light on both competence and spare change. They were trying to save fuel by not diverting around Ukraine. Instead, they flew straight across the country for 700+ miles and were almost to Russia before they got hit.

A couple of days ago, someone on FR predicted an airliner would soon get hit. Only, IIRC, they thought it would be Moscow - Tel Aviv, not Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur.

45 posted on 07/17/2014 5:34:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Bobalu

It was Putin’s response to the sanctions.

Article title:
U.S. sanctions targeted Russian missile makers
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-u-s-sanctions-targeted-russian-missile-makers/


46 posted on 07/17/2014 5:35:36 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: DisorderOnBorder
Obama lied about Benghazi. Why would anyone believe him on Ukraine?

This isn't rocket surgery. How about taking Obama out of it and looking at what the rebels themselves said? Jeepers

47 posted on 07/17/2014 5:45:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: sean327

it could have been a newbie mistake. someone in a vodka induced haze.. you can never tell with these “insurgents”..


48 posted on 07/17/2014 5:46:22 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: cynwoody
"The Ukrainian rebels, who want to separate and join Russia, did it by mistake."

That's the most likely scenario. People who don't have any means of checking commercial flights vs military flights but do have enough knowledge to lock up a target then launch are probably the shooters.

Other things are possible, but nothing is any where near as probable as people who figure their SAM capability is a "use it or loose it" weapon downing the plane.

Nitwits with advanced weapons are a scourge to both their supporters and their enemies.

Just look at Hamas doing far more damage to their own people than to Israel. The Ukraine separatists are so far not quite as bad but with the increasing use of intense artillery fire by the Kiev side, they're going down the same path.

49 posted on 07/17/2014 5:51:12 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: conservaKate; sean327; Logical me; blueunicorn6; Ghost of SVR4; free_life; hubel458; cynwoody; ...
Russia did it.

Ukraine Separatist Leader Boasts Of Downing Plane
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181549/posts

Where Did Ukraine's Rebels Get Missile Launcher That Allegedly Shot Down Malaysia Airlines Plane?
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181563/posts

Malaysian Passenger Jet 'Shot Down' Over Eastern Ukraine
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181558/posts

And here's the motive behind the cheerleading for Putin.

Obama’s Latest Executive Order Slapping Russia With Sanctions Could Affect Some AK-47-Owning Americans
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181547/posts


50 posted on 07/17/2014 5:53:58 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: free_life
"Yes Putin owns this."

Maybe it was a sad mistake, and his innocent officers advising the Russian guerrillas in Ukraine while making such mistakes are incompetent clowns. Maybe the Soviets haven't changed much while making friends with Islamic terrorist nations like Iran and indulging in communist expansionism.


51 posted on 07/17/2014 6:00:35 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: cynwoody

The rebels reported to their GRU superior within minutes of shooting this civilian plane down. Putin and the Russian intel and military own this.


52 posted on 07/17/2014 6:02:39 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: blueunicorn6

I appreciate that you still remember Benghazi. What it has to do with this event is sketchy. If you are so worked-up about the Obama Administration’s action’s in that debacle, why not remove it from the occasion and look to what the Russian rebels themselves have said? Or is that too difficult?


53 posted on 07/17/2014 6:33:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ETL 2

Save the obfuscation and propaganda. Observers in Russia from Rostov to the border with the Ukraine have been reporting the movements of Russia’s most sophisticated SAM batteries behind the border in Russia and across the border into the Ukraine. One Russian who approvingly published a video illustrating the Russians firing these SAMs from Russian territory was arrested by Russia’s FSB for giving away the evidence on the Internet. It is irrelevant that Russian mercenaries in the Ukraine captured the SAM batteries of a Ukrainian unit, because we can plainly see Russian SAM batteries being moved into and used in the engagements.

It is also all too obvious from SIGINT intercepts of the communications between the Russian officers commanding the terrorist operations in the Ukraine and their superiors in Moscow are working for the Russian government and Putin. They even bragged about shooting down an aircraft until they realized it was MH17, and then they resented getting caught doing it, plaintively saying the victims deserved it and should have known better than to use the rebels’ skies.

Thee murderers know no shame for their grievous crimes.


54 posted on 07/17/2014 6:36:58 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: 1rudeboy

Nah not too difficult.

What is oh so surprising is the deafening silence from all the Putin bootlickers on this site. Whenever there is a story on Ukraine, they pile on like flies to s**t.

Where is the neo-soviet wing of FR?


55 posted on 07/17/2014 7:00:07 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.
I was wondering myself. They usually show up in the morning (EDT), anyway. They're in a tough spot, and Russia Today/RIA Novosti haven't given any guidance, yet. There was one failed attempt to make this about an attempted assassination on Putin himself, but it failed.

My guess is, for the next few hours, you just need to deal with the Paultards.

56 posted on 07/17/2014 7:04:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

lol....figured they’re all collectively bent over waiting for Putin’s instructions.

Paultards may be silly, but at least they make me laugh.


57 posted on 07/17/2014 7:21:20 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: WhiskeyX
Save the obfuscation and propaganda.

Obfuscation and propaganda? What I posted supported the notion that the Russian-backed rebels had a BUK missile launcher, and so had the means to shoot down the airliner. They seized it in their capture of a Ukrainian missile base a few months ago. I obviously am no fan of KGB Putin.

58 posted on 07/17/2014 7:25:53 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: WhiskeyX

Sorry, I see what you’re saying: the Russians themselves shot down the airliner. I’ve have to read up on this some more. Haven’t been able to closely follow the latest news these past few months.


59 posted on 07/17/2014 7:33:23 PM PDT by ETL 2
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To: KOZ.

Check out the Breaking News thread. Looks like they’re waking up in Moscow.


60 posted on 07/17/2014 7:53:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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