Posted on 04/10/2014 11:32:07 AM PDT by xzins
11 hours — I didn’t say I was driving legal, but let’s say that some of do and some of us don’t. ;-)
“...against their enemies; our government.”
...your government... ?
This is building very bad against the feds. Malitias are streaming in and AMERICA is watching. We are tired of the fed crap. Scre7w the turtle. I want meat to eat NOW!!
Shupnube
You seem to make sense.
Then a sentence like this comes out...
“When he stopped paying grazing fees, the federal government sold his grazing rights to the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.” TC
One question - How does the government get to sell grazing rights that belong to Bundy?
Good point!
IIRC, water rights were part of the recognition of the right to graze cattle on the free range area where the water right was located.
GB, at Paragon Foundation may be of some help on this issue, as might be his son.
.........Lis Wiehl was saying tonight like a broken record “it’s the law”..........”it’s the law” the ranchers are wrong “it’s the law”.
I’m screaming at the TV set “where’s your damn law on Holder being in contempt, on Benghazi, over Fast and Furious, on IRS, on 37 violations of Obamacare and list goes on and on”. Last serious accounting I saw was over 100 violations of law by this administration and many people dead! Watergate is a picnic in comparison.
So, when I see fed cops with dogs, stun guns, helicopters, snipers, MRAP’s and so on I’m thinking two things. I’m scared of my government and I am mad at my government. In my opinion that is what it’s all about out there on that stretch of desert road................namely “the misbehavior and disrespect of our laws by this Obama Administration”.......they are miscalculating the depth of the American peoples anger in a way if continued is going to lead to some people getting hurt, or worse.
Good question. Neil Kornze, Principal Deputy Director, BLM
Modern day feudalism. And 90% can not get enough of it.
Strange timing, eh? Harry Reid's corrupt butt-buddy gets confirmed as BLM head and Nevada range war suddenly goes nuclear?
Some have speculated that oil and gas leases are the real reason. Maybe it's solar.
.gov weasel sAppyPappy here to defend his beloved .gov...
We tire of your .gov-lovin' patter, taxcontrol.
The simple fact of the matter is that in the lower 48 and in Hawaii, the federal, state & local governments are the only REAL landowners.
If you seek to rebut my post, just send me copies of your delinquent property tax notices for the next three or four years. I'll purchase the properties that you "own" for a song from the REAL owners.
Send email to BLM at this link. It is an online form at the BLM website
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/National_Page/Contact_Us.html
The grazing rights only belonged to Bundy when he paid for them. You need to understand the situation prior to the passage of the Taylor Grazing act. At that time, a lot of federal land was not being used. No one was allowed to graze on Federal land. Now, in truth, some people did but they did so without the land owner’s (federal government’s) permission so they were not paying to graze.
Then the Congress realized that by opening up federal lands to grazing, they could boost the industry and create more jobs, lower beef prices, etc. To do this, congress passed the Taylor Grazing act which established a system of fees for ranchers so that they could increase the size of their herds by grazing on US government owned land. Ranchers then paid their grazing fees and “leased” access to graze their herds in 10 year permits. At the end of the 10 years, the permits could be renewed.
Bundy only owns about 150 acres and leases or used to lease grazing rights. 150 acres is NOT enough land to raise 500 head of cattle that is why Bundy had to lease the larger tract. Once Bundy stopped paying his lease, he no longer had legal access to that land. Much like a renter who stops paying rent.
Now he is getting evicted or at least the cattle is being evicted from that land. Read carefully the statements made by Bundy and his family. He does not say that he owns the land... only that he has be grazing on that land for a long time. He admits that he stopped paying the BLM and gives the reason that the BLM was created after he started grazing. But the Department of the Interior Grazing Service was created by the Taylor Grazing act. And the Grazing Service was the forerunner to the BLM. In fact, the Grazing Service was combined with another department to form the BLM.
Notice how the daughter said “My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.” ... Also Bundy himself says that he fired the BLM. Well, the BLM does not work for him. The BLM works for the US Government and when he stopped paying his fees, he legally stopped receiving the value that was exchanged for those fees - the right to graze on US Government property.
The Bundy clan is putting out half truths and manipulating the press to attempt to save their cattle after loosing at least two and possibly four court rulings in this case. A key insight into this comes from how the daughter says the following: “So my dad just went on running his ranch ...”
It may be his “ranch” but he only owns 150 acres of that ranch and leases the rest of that ranch from someone else. That is a very common configuration out here in the west. The danger is that others, who do not know about these details are assuming that the federal government is somehow trying to prevent Bundy from using his own land ... and that is simply not the case.
I also heard the borders of the federal land were changed some years back to accommodate a Harry Reid friend. Hmm.. Where is Harry “illegal land deal” Reid in all of this?
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