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Posted on 03/19/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by NYer
ROFL!!!
No, not in regards to the persecution of the Ukrainian Catholic Church. I'm persuaded that it's real enough, and I am far from being a [Roman] Catholic apologist.
That said, the picture of the Ukrainian nationalist Bandera probably should have not been displayed, even within the guy's home.
Remember how in the book "On Wings of Eagles" the EDS employees being smuggled out of Iran had an Iranian traveling with them who would change out pictures on the dashboard of the car of whatever muslim cleric was most popular in whichever area they were in?
That was to mollify the armed "checkpoint" local militias.
We're seeing a similar sort of low order mentality in Ukraine and the Crimea, which could do with applying some of the same subtlety. It can work -- until it doesn't, as Jews who know history could tell us...
As it is written,
Not exactly. The Orthodox local Churches are heirs of long-since established patriarchates, that have complex hierarchies inside of them. So in Ukraine there is a local Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate and also Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kyiv Patriarchate, and finally Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church. Moscow Patriarchate has a strained relations with the first and it is likely to seek nourishment from the Patriarch of Constantinople.
The orthodox tradition is indeed that the local Church supports the local political power, unless it is under anathema. So it would be normal for Kievan Orthodox (MP) to support and pray for the government in Kiev and for the Ukrainian military even though their mother Church is Moscow supports and prays for Putin's government and RF army.
It is true that the bishops of the Orthodox Church do not wish to be considered a part of the Catholic Church for administrative reasons, and they often seek theological differences to justify the disunion. As the example of multiple Uniate Churches in Ukraine and elsewhere shows, there is no problem whatsoever for an Orthodox flock to join the Catholic Church and keep the entirety of their faith as it was before. The divisions are a product of the Orthodox lack of desire for unity.
Yes, — what I am saying is that the pro-Putin sentiment is, or was, common among conservatives of all confessions. Hopefully, at least the Catholics would know better after this crisis.
The problem is that nobody believes them that makes neither Catholic nor Orthodox.
In Serbia, there are very few of them , mostly Romanians . They do not have their own church , because neither Catholic nor Orthodox want to help them.
Now they are just in my city managed to get unused old Lutheran church .
Uniates , that is, the Greek Catholics , are very very isolated . Catholics do not consider Catholics and Orthodox Christians consider them as “ traitors “ . For example , neither Catholics nor Orthodox do not want and do not enter into marriage with them . Between them , Orthodox and Catholics regularly enter into marriage , and it is quite a regular occurrence . In addition, the problem is that Catholics - at least in Serbia - mostly Hungarians , who by the rule can not stand Romanians and Serbs on the other side who are supposed to be brothers in faith with Romanians - can not stand them because they Uniates .
Priemr that I know personally that the Uniate priest had problems needed to translate documents from Romanian into Serbian . When word spread that he Greco-Catholic , no one wanted to translate , he had to go to another city for a translation . The church was renovated , the problem is that iakos to find the money - I can not to find a contractor . Catholics and Orthodox Christians simply ignore them .
That is the most illogical thing I have read today.
Yes Putin has lied to me. So has the current administration. What is your point?
Putin could tell me nothing but the truth and that would not make him less a communist. Apparently you know nothing of the KGB and the brutal repressive ways that are the hall mark of the Soviet Union (formerly known as Russia). Apparently you are unaware of the current crack down on dissidents and Christians within Putin’s country. Apparently you are unaware of the intrigue that Putin is engaged in in South and Central America.
Either you are willfully ignorant or you are too busy listening to Alex Jones to have a clear understanding of what is happening
Yes to that post? “”There is some hard core Putin worship going on by some Catholics here though, and the reasons are a little scary.
Post 7 mentions the sentiment from some Catholics, a wish for regaining a state church.””
See the link in post 78 where the Catholics are mocking and attacking a minister from a conservative denomination, about Putin.
Our media is afraid to investigate our administration. Why? Because their sources are afraid of this administration. Why are they afraid? Because their communications are being monitored.
Our tax collectors were just caught targeting groups and individuals they continued to do so after the news had come out. The EPA is being used as a political weapon.
Our department of Justice is the epitome of injustice.
Is it as bad as Russia, probably not but our political class has their feet firmly on the accelerator, so hang on.
Never has their been a more corrupt administration, a more dishonest “American” president. Are they worried about being brought to justice? Nope.
What intrigue was involved in Libya? Was there a CIA annex in the Benghazi compound? Was it’s purpose to run guns to the Islamist radicals that were fighting in Syria?
Are Christians in the USA being harassed by our military on orders from on high? Are Christians being shamed into not speaking if they believe certain behavior is wrong?
Even if people aren’t being physically harmed or attacked by our administration, they are none the less under attack.
Just for a reality check.... this is NOT as bad as the Soviet Union (formerly known as Russia). The fact that you cannot see that speaks to a level of delusion that is dangerous.
Do things need to be changed in the US? Yes is the simple answer. And it is up to each one of us in a sober and logical manner to work our hardest to make that happen.
Hyperbole about the current state of affairs does not help
When the “S” hits the fan, seems Christians get the brunt of it. These Orthodox/Catholic wars are very sad and they point at cultural Christianity when it should be devout Christianity.
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I don't see any link. Yes, Russian Federation has a preference for Russian Orthodox Church written into law; I know a Baptist minister who had a difficulty preaching in RF. I can imagine that Putin might be admired for that by both Orthodox and Catholics, and certainly for his conservatism. Hopefully people will now see RF for what it is: an oppressive, anti-national (especially anti-Russian) dictatorship that equipped itself with a servile and corrupt church. Their conservatism is party simply the legacy of the USSR, -- which was conservative in a totalitarian sense, and partly a pose that they strike in the West.
Sorry, it was post 68.
You seem to get the point anyway, that desiring a state church, preferring Monarchy, and other things that America dreaded from mid 1800s immigration, is even here among us on this forum.
You made a good post.
Putin can rightly be faulted for many things, but it is a courageous stand he takes drawing a line in the sand on sodomy, in the face of Western pressure......
Reportedly, Russia (Putin) is restoring the former glory of the long gone Orthodox Catholic Church to the exclusion of all protestant efforts to establish there...
That's what started it? All these are true statements, notwithstanding the fact that RF can be all these things and yet be a dictatorial aggressor state and an enemy of the USA.
I am a monarchist and a nationalist. You can find monarchists among both Orthodox and Catholics (but you will have to look long). I don't know a single American monarchist though who does not understand that America rightly revolted against a distant British king as soon as America became a nation. That America did not have a suitable monarch is a historical fact; for a republic the USA did very well, at least prior to Roosevelt. Monarchy is a natural condition of a nation but it has to be developed organically; when you don't have it you don't have it.
Of course you missed the added spice of the many posts the moderator removed.
You are a monarchist, wow.
I have learned some unpleasant things here about Catholics.
Nonetheless, I hope that those Catholics will stop supporting Russia’s expansionism, for whatever reason, anytime we can win catholic Americans over to a conservative view, it is good.
Yes, absolutely.
By the way, nothing is as repulsive to a monarchist as a dictator.
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