Posted on 03/12/2014 8:25:27 PM PDT by ckilmer
Think about it: What if there was an entrenched set of real smart scientists who would have their funding DRASTICALLY reduced when Dolly was produced? They would have pulled out ALL the stops in their welcome of this new cloning technology that only works 1/1000th % of the time, wouldn’t they?
So... why don’t we have a bunch of clamor surrounding Dolly the Sheep? Because there is no such entrenched competition for resources, that’s why.
Nobody wise sees science as a zero sum game as long as it is truthful.
And competition conspiracy games?
Who wouldn’t WANT a cold fusion battery that you could count on? But they aren’t going to jump at the chance to do it until someone shows it isn’t smoke and mirrors.
Too often, hoaxes HAVE driven scientists astray.
This is like saying doctors don’t want cancer cured because now what happens to cancer treatment profits... forgetting that if what is a myriad of conditions could be cured in one fell swoop then that would leave a lot of surviving people that need OTHER kinds of health care still. If it isn’t cancer it’s Alzheimer’s. Or whatever. This mortal coil is guaranteed to come with sickness and death risk of some kind.
We cannot even assume MIT nor Caltech to be wise nor truthful in this pursuit.
So ignore them, they are not the whole world of science as if they could force it into a bottle.
Nonetheless if you ultimately want the big players to pay attention, then you got to get your reliability pretty well up there. Your choice on how to do it, but mad science to mainstream science is not going to happen if the mad scientists don’t try to make it happen.
And competition conspiracy games?
***No comprehende, senior.
Who wouldn’t WANT a cold fusion battery that you could count on?
***The guys who have been paid for decades NOT to produce such progress.
But they aren’t going to jump at the chance to do it until someone shows it isn’t smoke and mirrors.
***Of course, anyone who drew their salary from CHF would KNOW that the solution is 50 years off, so they would be utterly dismissive of a claim, even when it is clear for everyone else to see.
Too often, hoaxes HAVE driven scientists astray.
***Then those idiot scientists need to suck it up and learn something. LENR is littered with former skeptics such as Levi, Focardi, Kowalski, Essen, Tsakiris, Duncan, and even Storms (plus plenty others).
This is like saying doctors don’t want cancer cured because now what happens to cancer treatment profits...
***No, it isn’t like that at all. This is a suppressed science, where the work is done under the radar until the convincing demo like the Wright Brothers did, which threw all of current aeronautical science on its ear.
True enough, until crowd sourcing catches on.
So get your convincing demo. Soon everyone was building replicas of the Wright machine if not buying it from the Wrights.
I’m just saying what that demo will look like. And it won’t look like black magic where the demons have to be in a good mood.
The thing to keep in mind is: The Wright brothers were no frauds. They kept their demo locked up for 5 friggin years while a stream of lookieloos came by asking about it, but none of those lookieloos would agree to buy their airplanes if it were demo’d. Those lookieloo A@@#0|e$ were just trying to steal the secret, figuring that if a couple of bicycle mechanics could unleash the amazing secret, it couldn’t be that hard. It took 5 friggin years before the Wrights had a contract they could demo to. The same dynamic operates today, but on a bigger scale with players that have $billions in their pocket and can STRONGLY influence the patent process and others involved.
Well done. Also, if they put the plant near the farms they’ll be using farm land to produce water instead of food. Solar technology isn’t as advanced as the desalination seems to be. And, being California I have no doubt the eco-nazis will find a reason why it can’t be used. I’m hearing stories of entire towns with dry wells where water is being trucked in every day and towns along I-5 running out of water for several hours a day requiring businesses to close. We are the new dust bowl and most of it is man made. This idea is not the solution. Too little too late.
Hey, crank right on if you got the resources. And God speed if there is truth in your powdered metals. I believe God will in fact speed it if there is.
To me it’s fascinating in a way, but this is not going to be a civilization saver. Nothing can be, as long as there is a sin problem. Nothing but God, that is.
Ultimately if it’s true it, too, will reflect well on the glory of God. And you may need to take heed to a spiritual problem that could be hindering it. As long as some human wants the glory it’s going to stumble. As soon as the glory goes to truth (God is the truth, way, and life) then it will be blessed.
Something needs to rule out physico-chemical effects though.
***That has been done multiple times. Example:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEstatusofcoa.pdf
I found the spiritual component of which you speak. There will be many freepers who do not understand.
1 Thessalonians 5:3
International Standard Version
When people say, “There is peace and security,” destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.
The effect was noted before the investigation of powdered metals to enhance it. Sintering and powdering was an attempt at increasing the surface area and, if you believe Storms, a means to introduce cracks for the NAE.
Nothing but God, that is.
***I agree. Until He comes on the clouds of Heaven, seated at the right hand of Power, we have an obligation to make this world a better place.
That is certainly salient. If we thought we could engineer a nice civilization, sin would rear its ugly head once more, showing that nobody could supplant God and trying to do so only opens a door to the devil.
But anyhow, the greater principle is that yes, this might prove a boon to mankind even though not a civilization saver. And God is perfectly copacetic with that. But the catch is, He really does want the glory. I had seen some earlier stages when a particular inventor was keeping it for his signature item. I could have told you that God wouldn’t bless that. Only when something goes open enough to be attributed to truth rather than to a person, will something be blessed.
We got to be careful where we get our definition of better. God’s definition overrides all others — gladly for us, it does incorporate some of our own, but in God’s way not ours.
Glorify God. In short term you might suffer. In long term you’ll be hallelujah’ing like there was no end (and there won’t be).
Well, um... I dunno how we got from talking about LENR as a desalinization technology to the sin of mankind, but as far as I can tell, you speak wisdom and I agree with you. LENR won’t be a panacea for society any more than the reasonably priced automobile was. But it WILL affect civilization as much or more than automobiles, so it makes sense to keep a sharp eye on it.
where we get our definition of better.
***The bible is a good place to start. But google search gives thousands of hits for “better life” + bible and only 2 hits for “more blessed life” + bible. So where do you suggest we start?
If one of these things will yield more energy than it took to put it together, then the celebration might begin.
Even before that it’s a plausible battery.
You’re probably thinking electrical plant. Hey if it can be stoked with this stuff at practical power levels... and it doesn’t need as much energy to make as it will yield... why not.
There’s still going to be the question of consumption of material. Can they take used fuel and make new good fuel out of it? Or does use mean it’s forever useless for the reaction now?
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